General Election - December 12th, 2019

[mcfc1632]

At least I won't have to worry about my pronouns.

Ha Ha - from your posts it seems that you will never be able to move away from your ideology towards the reality of what the majority

I hope that is the same for a lot of the purists in the LP as that will lead to a split I think and the LP can start to rebuild as a centre-left party and those that are happy just to be a protest group can be left behind to form a joint support group

 

[argyle]

No, they were furious at the likes of you, that you still don't, and obviously never will, get this, is why Labour
in its current guise will never have a hope of governing.

Please stop messaging me in this thread. I said I'm leaving it to those that won on the far right.

You won, congratulations.

I look forward to Boris helping the homeless and those using food banks during the next 5 years.

 

[robbieh]

This kinda sums it all up but will the lefties learn, probably not.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/12/13/the-revenge-of-democracy/#.XfQqA05EIgk.facebook

Spiked is a website purporting to be Trotskist but in fact spout all sorts of reactionary nonsense.
No secret why as they are funded by extreme right wing people like the Koch brothers.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Don't be silly. That just proves you dont listen.

LibDem Remainers didn't do the tactical voting expected (certainly in our constituency). That was what we needed to compensate for the anti-Corbyn factor costing us so many Labour supporters, and it didn't happen. Few mentioned Brexit as a factor even when pressed, but I was mostly canvassing in a relatively "comfortable" area rather than the ex-council wards where the Tories didn't win but picked up a lot more votes than usual.

You'll have to excuse me if I don't bother further with analysis, as there's no point. No votes to be gained.

I don't think Johnson even needs to fulfil the one-nation guff. Boundary revision, based on registration that favours the well-off (people in their own homes rather than the poorer rentier class), will go ahead - though if those areas are now Tory seats maybe they won't!

And if Momentum controls the leadership campaign and really can't see that Corbyn was a disaster, it's hard to see much of a revival if the same "popular" policies remain under any leader.

If the PLP could choose its own temporary leader that would help, but Corbyn staying on means he chooses a new shadow cabinet.

Whilst there's some stuff in there which is obviously true, there's this undertone that you seem to think it's all about what do politicians need to say to win votes.

The suggestion that Boris doesn't need to deliver anything for the poor because with boundary changes, he will win anyway, for example.

The idea that Tories do actually want to raise standards of living for everyone, is something you just don't seem to have considered. I understand why you might think like that having seen 10 years of austerity, but I think you will be surprised.

I am as Tory as they come, but I want to see more money spent on the less well off.There's millions of people like me, millions. And most Tory MPs I am certain think very similarly.

The only difference is that unlike Labour, Tories do believe in just an atom of financial reality. But with the deficit way down and after 10 years of cuts, I think you will now see a very different Tory government.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

More people voted for parties who either advocated remain or a second referendum.

Doesn't fit your narrative.

Yes, I think we need a referendum.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Kids separated from their parents at the border and kept in cages

Interesting point this, the facts are that their parents,have broken US law,whenever, or wherever this happens in the states,
the parents are arrested, just like here in fact. You can not simply break into a country by violating its borders without consequences.
Obama deported over 3 million illegal immigrants, presidents before him have done similar, the outrage about this needs examination.

 

[Tanzeylee]

Spiked is a website purporting to be Trotskist but in fact spout all sorts of reactionary nonsense.
No secret why as they are funded by extreme right wing people like the Koch brothers.

Lefty sailing down that big river in Egypt alert

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Not really 48 seats and no say, and they do OK without it in Holyrood.

They get their say in Scotland, what more do they want?

 

[George Hannah]

The reason the Tories won IMO was because Johnson made political capital of the the English nationalism and anti minority sentiments that fuelled Brexit. The new found Tory voters in the North and Midlands who have been fcuked over by first Thatcher, then the global crash and austerity and now Brexit have something to coalesce around - a sense of nationalistic pride and hatred of others. They know the Tories are not going to improve their lot ,they don't think the other lot are either ( in facts things will only get worse) but at least Johnson has given them permission and provided the environment for them collectively to take out their frustrations against the 'outside world' ,thereby giving them a substitute for their lost jobs and communities. It's a clever (and age old trick), but the problem is it's like a drug and as these areas continue to decline the Tories will have to pump the inhabitants full of more of the propaganda of xenophobia and hatred to mask their own self loathing. Until the bubble bursts.

The truth is, as someone on here wisely pointed out earlier, this Labour Party catastrophe began by your friends installing the wrong Miliband. The throwbacks now in control as a result are the same union reactionaries who killed the Callaghan government and gave us 20 years of Thatcher. Heed Alan Johnson, get rid of Momentum and their Communist party stooges. Eliminate the influence of McCluskey and all the other public sector union class warriors. What you call 'English nationalism' has the same root as any other variety - love of country - a quality conspicuously missing from Corbyn, McDonnell and their Marxist friends - who are still shamelessly feasting on the last remnants of a once great movement they have destroyed.

 

[blueparrot]

They get their say in Scotland, what more do they want?

Not from FPTP.