General Election June 8th

[mcfc1632]

Bit like you mate with 'strong and stable'.
Oh and 'coalition of chaos'.
If today's unprecedented climb down on social care is not a perfect example of weak, unstable, chaotic leadership I don't know what is.
Oh and by the way the U turn was (according to Mavis) brought about by Labour. I'd say that makes Labour look pretty strong wouldn't you?
Still got confidence in your weak, unstable,incompetent,chaotic Brexit negotiating team mate?
LOL.

You see - you either just make things up or just read what you want read and twist it in your desperation

I loathe the soundbites of S&S CoC - you are suggesting that I like to hear those terms - you are yet again utterly wrong

Re the negotiations - well no I am not full of confidence - I am in fact quite nervous. But if you start from the position that the outcome of the negotiations should be that we actually end up leaving, then there is absolutely Zero chance of Labour's policy on Brexit to achieve a successful withdrawal - more likely we will end up with such a level failure we effectively remain in (I view this as a provable fact rather than an opinion)

So if you want us to actually leave then you have to vote Tory - their policy at least can actually achieve a viable leave outcome - but fuck it is going to be a tricky negotiation.

 

[SWP's back]

He won't win but I suspect May will be nowhere near the 200 seat landlside predicted on the day she announced the GE. An interesting bet could be which of them lasts in post longest after the GE result - if he doesn't lose by a landslide Corbyn will have been seen to do ok if May gets a majority under 50 the knives will be out for her

Suits everyone then.

 

[Blue Whale]

I see what you did there. Brilliant.

Quite proud of it myself :-)

 

[SWP's back]

I lack empathy for others? It's you who is voting Tory you total muppet. Jesus, you can't even get the baics right, Tory Boy.

No. You have no political empathy as I said. you don't even know what it fucking means. You can only see things from your point of view. It doesn't lend itself to even half decent debate.

Ps, I've never even attempted "to get the baics right" as I've no idea what they are. But let me tell you a secret, when attempting to denigrate someone else on on a point, understand the point the were making in the first place, that way you'll look less of a fool.

 

[Len Rum]

Mavis has only been in power for nine months and she's already U turned on:
NICS
Workers on boards
Holding an election
Social care ( key policy in Election manifesto).

Strong and stable?
Coalition of chaos?

 

[mat]

 

[SWP's back]

Let's hope you never get sick and find yourself unable to work eh Cheesey lad?

Depends. If he's smart he will have taken out some income protection or critical illness cover.

 

[Chippy_boy]

So we started in 2014 with a suggestion that no one should pay more than £72k, which went into the 2015 election. Then that got "postponed" afterwards. Then we got the suggestion that no one should be left with less than £100k but you could end up paying any amount before you get to that figure. Then, a few days later, we got "Well we're going to do something but we don't know what so we're not telling you. But vote for us anyway." And that's after the self-employed NI shambles in the Budget. You'd think they might have learned the lesson from that.

What an absolute joke. The woman's political judgement is very, very suspect.

I have to agree with you mate. I think she's been utter crap, much like she was as Home Secretary. Seemingly endless poor judgement and wrong decisions. Unfortunately Corbyn is even more crap, so what do you do?

 

[SWP's back]

So we started in 2014 with a suggestion that no one should pay more than £72k, which went into the 2015 election. Then that got "postponed" afterwards. Then we got the suggestion that no one should be left with less than £100k but you could end up paying any amount before you get to that figure. Then, a few days later, we got "Well we're going to do something but we don't know what so we're not telling you. But vote for us anyway." And that's after the self-employed NI shambles in the Budget. You'd think they might have learned the lesson from that.

What an absolute joke. The woman's political judgement is very, very suspect.

What are Labours plans on long term care?

How much is paid for from the sale of house or estate? Genuine question.

 

[mat]

Depends. If he's smart he will have taken out some income protection or critical illness cover.

Glad some people can afford to do that despite having 2 jobs with zero hours contracts trying to stay above water.

My foster sister is 21 homeless and is currently living in a summerhouse at my mum's. She diligently goes through the hoops the job centre give her and is getting nowhere. Apart from becoming more depressed and being made to feel judged and useless.

They haven't paid her benefits for 12 weeks claiming "Administration issues"

This is Tory Britain.

Fuck the poor.

 

[mcfc1632]

You're wrong again mate.
Postal votes out this week, Friday is too late.
May is sounding absolutely desperate under questioning from the media at her press conference.
Questions are all about her being 'weak and wobbly ' under pressure.

But you should learn something from my post that you were responding to.

I was directly criticising May and her handling of this issue.

You see - that is because some of us can do that and do not have to be mindlessly and slavishly docile in what we say and do

It is all about being capable of being objective and being able to think for yourself - give it a try

 

[BlueHammer85]

Depends. If he's smart he will have taken out some income protection or critical illness cover.

might aswell rid of the NHS in that case ?

 

[SWP's back]

Glad some people can afford to do that despite having 2 jobs with zero hours contracts trying to stay above water.

My foster sister is 21 homeless and is currently living in a summerhouse at my mum's. She diligently goes through the hoops the job centre give her and is getting nowhere. Apart from becoming more depressed and being made to feel judged and useless.

They haven't paid her benefits for 12 weeks claiming "Administration issues"

This is Tory Britain.

Fuck the poor.

Not sure what that story has to do with critical illness insurance or being too ill to work, but either way I hope she finds work soon.

Very surprised she can't find any work though, every time I came back from uni (and even at uni but in a different city) I was able to find bar work in Lancaster (ie not a huge city). It's not great and the hours are wank, but at 21 I doubt she'd need to ask at more than a dozen before she was offered a trial shift. Approaching the job centre and knowing what hoops they wanted me to jump through never came into it.

 

[Len Rum]

Just makes you realise how shit Labour are, when they can't command a lead of the shower that is the current Tory leadership team.

I know you've been let down by your beloved party mate but you sound desperate.
Jezza and McDonald are looking the strong guys in this campaign.
Jezza's forced Mavis to U turn on social policy and the way McDonald destroyed Damian Green on Marr yesterday, I'd say he ( McDonald) was well hard.
Kier Starmer, Jezz and John look like a strong team to me to negotiate Brexit.

Tories - weak and wobbly. The new soundbites.
Luvin it.

 

[SWP's back]

might aswell rid of the NHS in that case ?

Not sure you understand what income protection or critical illness cover is.

It has nothing to do with private medical cover or the NHS or anything.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

More crap swinging in the wind

2 wrongs do not make a right .. - no matter how desperate you are to make it so

I agree with you that Maria Gatland - I do remember her as Mary McGuire - should be nowhere near UK mainstream politics - I am shocked than she is and would happily join any demand / discussion that she should be banned from politics

Re Arlene Foster, apart from through your desperation, - how did you get to my being ‘happy’ with her. I saw a quote this morning from her that seemed to describe my view of Corbyn more eloquently than I did so I quoted it. I did not do an in-depth investigation to her past. If she has a bad history I would be equally damming of her as any other terrorist. That said I am pretty sure that her history is not anywhere as disgusting as Corbyn’s chums McGuiness and Adams

Let’s be clear – just how the fuck did the UK end up having to accommodate McGuiness and Adams – absolute disgrace IMO.

But it is one thing that a negotiated settlement in NI leads to an accommodation that sees people directly involved in each side of the conflict – in NI.

It is entirely another matter to consider that an active supporter of the IRA could be fit to be the PM of the UK.

No – I know that you, like others, just twist in the wind to distract from the bottom line – but there is no escaping it – Corbyn was an active supporter of the IRA and even now cannot bring himself to directly condemn them

She worked with Martin McGuinness and her history shows she was against the Peace process, even working against it. Not the actions of Corbyn who has said many many times, that ALL (that being the important word) bombing was wrong. Nationalist, Loyalist. ALL.

 

[SWP's back]

I know you've been let down by your beloved party mate but you sound desperate.

He's right though isn't he and it's the point I made yesterday.

Shows how badly Labour must be doing to still be so far behind May and Co.

 

[mcfc1632]

What are Labours plans on long term care?

How much is paid for from the sale of house or estate? Genuine question.

Whilst I think that May has handled this social care policy awfully - it never needed to be brought into this manifesto - people forget what the Labour party is likely to do on inheritance and capital gains tax

 

[KenTheLandlord]

Nope. A bit like you saying "strawman" the other day. You've heard of something but you're mistaken in its meaning.

Goodwin's Law asserts that "if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or his deeds." but @inbetween makes no such comparison. Simply referencing Hitler or the Nazi's does not automatically invoke Godwin's Law anymore than mentioning the colour black means that someone is being racist.

Jesus, you have been out in the sun way too long.

 

[mat]

Not sure what that story has to do with critical illness insurance or being too ill to work, but either way I hope she finds work soon.

Very surprised she can't find any work though, every time I came back from uni (and even at uni but in a different city) I was able to find bar work in Lancaster (ie not a huge city). It's not great and the hours are wank, but at 21 I doubt she'd need to ask at more than a dozen before she was offered a trial shift.

I'm doing my best for her as are others. She's not perfect, and occasionally needs a gentle nudge. I just see her potential being wasted by the system.