General Election June 8th

[Len Rum]

The Tories have trebled the national debt mate. How come you can ignore that fact? They haven't invested enough in the economy for growth and until we do the ability to reduce that debt through growth is impossible.

The Tories have always been the party of increasing debt, but, there's nothing to see. Fucking unbelievable selective retention on this thread from Tories.

I don't think they've trebled it mate ( yet).
It was 0.9tn when Labour left office in 2010, it now stands at 1.7tn and will probably reach 2tn in the next few years with their mañana deficit reduction policy.
Nevertheless due to clever spin by the Tories and their friends in the media they are perceived as the party that is most competent in running the economy. This is not true, they are incompetent at managing the economy for the many but they excel at managing it for the wealthy and powerful few.
Hence their current failure to eliminate the deficit as they promised and the astronomical level of national debt at 1.7tn are just treated as mere inconvenient facts which if mentioned at all are blamed on the previous Labour administration ( and the one before that in the seventies if you care to listen to some the old right wing farts on here).

 

[bluethrunthru]

The triple lock on pensions needs breaking, it is going to cripple any future government.

Removing it is a real vote winner with the pensioners who put them in though.............. great electoral strategy

 

[brass neck]

I know my forthright opinions on the Tories are offensive to some and I'm sorry for you if they are! My political standpoint isn't as partisan as it seems to be honest. My thoughts on things are best summed up by Mark Blyth and Steve Keen. But as a side note I do generally think Tories are pretty disgraceful people. This is a good listen for people of all political colours. A good summery of where we're at how we got there.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Many Remainers weren't completely opposed to Brexit. I'd imagine the majority thought that Leave had very valid points about sovereignty and immigration but got cold feet over the possible negative effect on the economy.

Soft Brexit would essentially be keeping forms of freedom of movement and ECJ rule, so it's understandable that some Remainers would prefer a complete separation, if we are to split.

I think you are mistaken if you believe the number of people thinking as you suggest is anything other than trivially small. It's patently clear that the vast majority of those opposed to Brexit in the first place are not suddenly going to decide they prefer a hard Brexit over one that preserves some of the things that they voted Remain to preserve.

But who cares. You may be right, or not. Not worth arguing about.

 

[brass neck]

I worry about the levels of private debt as opposed to public. Any government has guaranteed income in taxation, public debt ebbs and flows. We've been hoodwinked into thinking the current position is catastrophic as a way to impose ridiculous school boy economic strategy in the form of austerity which is a ruse to transfer public money into private hands and nothing more. Economys need patients a steady hand and investment. Starving them is like turning the air con off. It's the levels of private debt that is alarming.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Hmmm Tusk saying the UK Trade deal is not a priority in Brexit - they want to sort out people and money first....... a Tory MP steps down after saying homosexuality was wrong and dangerous ( somewhat worser than Farrons views methinks ) UK growth slows dramatically to 0.3% - Tax and Spend Theresa called this vote before things went South and she was found out - with her pollution fix to be published ( taxes on diesel and tax payers money to subsidise the car industry whilst the "polluters" get scrappage on their old cars ) and MP's and party officials facing electoral spending fraud changes any day soon I think this vote cannot come early enough for her.

 

[brass neck]

Strong, Stable (not heated) and urrmmmmm....bent as nine Bob notes!

https://www.thecanary.co/2017/04/28...hsbc-won-conservatives-2010-general-election/

 

[bluethrunthru]

Strong, Stable (not heated) and urrmmmmm....bent as nine Bob notes!

https://www.thecanary.co/2017/04/28...hsbc-won-conservatives-2010-general-election/

yet more election fraud?

 

[brass neck]

yet more election fraud?

It would appear so. They are a very dodgy bunch of people. One has gone tonight for homophobic comments. There will be more. A lot of unanswered questions. I get the impression there is something afoot.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Oh sorry just read your last paragraph, it was of course all the fault of the previous Labour government.

Correct.