What about the 17M who don't really want to leave?
Do they also want the Conservative version?
No , because it is impossible to say who can ? You can of course believe the people who have been in power for 7 years and delivered little more than slogans - that is entirely your choice of course.Yes, so for the electorate this is a single issue general election. Who will get the best deal for the UK?
And yet countries like France and Germany are run on similar lines to this labour manifesto and seem to be doing far better than the UK ?This is probably the most anti-business manifesto I have ever seen.
Every single line related to business is there to punish and Labour just seems to plan to tie up businesses with increased costs, more taxes and lessen the ability to employ people.
The first line of 'taxation is what underpins our prosperity' sums it up because that statement is flatly wrong. If businesses go bust, don't make profits etc you cannot tax them and given businesses generate over 50% of the countries tax intake it is just utterly suicidal.
Fair taxation is not about punishing the most successful for being successful, fairness is when society is equal and not swayed in favour of one side or another. Labour just want to turn the tide and bring down industry.
They really have not got a hope in hell. Looking at this I would expect an even bigger Tory majority now because this drivel has all but sealed my vote.
I think you should visit the A50 thread to discuss this, but:
Your 2 scenarios, as stated, e.g. negotiating like silly buggers or realists, IMO, demonstrates a worrying acceptance that the EU are all-powerful and we must just accept what they demand
The EU's negotiating mandate is one of a total EU Win and the UK get badly punished outcome - why do you think that this should just be accepted by the UK?
The Labour position, as set out in the leaked manifesto, essentially does hand over acceptance to whatever the EU demands and invites them to be as unreasonable as they want - and they will, IMO, be so punishing that we end up effectively or indeed actually staying in
It would be the EU playing sill buggers and the UK, under Labour's position, just bending over
Yeah a return to the bad old days of decent paid jobs ,good pensions , affordable housing etc , etc......crazy lefties eh ?With that manifesto Labour have gone full on left wing bat shit crazy
Deluded pillocks
Remainers don't want to leave the EU that's the point. Dressing up leaving as really not leaving but calling it leaving isn't what we voted for. When you listen to politicians like Farron what he's really saying is let's stay in every mechanism of the EU and try to hoodwink voters into believing he respects the vote.
He quite obviously doesn't.
Are you just looking for arguments or something? http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/threads/article-50-brexit-negotiations.327393/page-214
16.1m voted to stay, not 17m. 17.4 m voted to leave.
There IS no 'Conservative version' or a 'Lib Dem version' or a 'Labour version' of 'Brexit' (I fucking hate that term).
There is no 'soft brexit' or 'hard brexit'. There's just the UK no longer being a member of the European Union. That was the question put to us. If it had been the other result would there have been renegotiations for 'soft remain' and 'hard remain'? No, so why is there suddenly 'options' regarding the extent to which we leave the EU?
Voting Labour will still result in the UK leaving the EU. Voting Lib Dem will also give the same result, so it doesn't matter about voting Conservative in this election regarding Brexit.
Then they should all vote accordingly and we will see the outcome.
The 23/06 vote was a Remain or Leave option - this vote is about constituencies. We will see whether the Brexit issue is indeed a dominating factor or whether, as some have suggested today, a side-issue when compared to other key domestic issues by the way the votes and seats go.