Article 50/Brexit Negotiations

[BlueHammer85]

He has clearly never negotiated a thing in his life. Clueless.

Cant be handling any worse than remainer May

 

[geoff clipp]

Labour manifesto has leaked. With ref. to Brexit Labour will rule out a "no deal" Brexit - sooooooo 'Give us the deal that we want or we wont leave' The guy is a genius.

Whatever your view on Brexit, it's going to be extremely difficult to get any kind of good deal out of it. I don't know enough about it to say it's impossible, but the behavior of the government at the moment makes me think they don't have any faith in coming away with much. You might not like Corbyn's stance but it definitely isn't any worse than May's current tactic of needlessly antagonising the EU just for the sake of winning a few extra votes in a domestic election that she's already going to win anyway. It's completely irresponsible and we will pay for it further down the line. I'm amazed anyone could see this whole "fine, we'll walk away with no deal" schtick as a show of strength. It isn't a show of strength, it's a cop out and a way of getting the excuses in early for when they fail to get the deal they want. I just don't believe they'd be behaving in such a hostile way toward the EU if they felt there was any possibility of coming back with a satisfactory deal so it appears to me as though they're sabotaging the negotiations before they even begin. They've already resigned themselves to failure so the objective now seems to be to fail in a way where they still at least appear tough and in control.

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

Whatever your view on Brexit, it's going to be extremely difficult to get any kind of good deal out of it. I don't know enough about it to say it's impossible, but the behavior of the government at the moment makes me think they don't have any faith in coming away with much. You might not like Corbyn's stance but it definitely isn't any worse than May's current tactic of needlessly antagonising the EU just for the sake of winning a few extra votes in a domestic election that she's already going to win anyway. It's completely irresponsible and we will pay for it further down the line. I'm amazed anyone could see this whole "fine, we'll walk away with no deal" schtick as a show of strength. It isn't a show of strength, it's a cop out and a way of getting the excuses in early for when they fail to get the deal they want. I just don't believe they'd be behaving in such a hostile way toward the EU if they felt there was any possibility of coming back with a satisfactory deal so it appears to me as though they're sabotaging the negotiations before they even begin. They've already resigned themselves to failure so the objective now seems to be to fail in a way where they still at least appear tough and in control.

How exactly is May antagonising the EU? From what I have read all the antagonising has been done from the EU side.

 

[Len Rum]

How exactly is May antagonising the EU? From what I have read all the antagonising has been done from the EU side.

Err..... accusing them of interfering in the General Election, I'd say that was pretty antagonistic wouldn't you?

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

Err..... accusing them of interfering in the General Election, I'd say that was pretty antagonistic wouldn't you?

Not at all considering what the EU bureaucrats have been spouting. And whose to say they didn't interfere?

 

[mat]

Guardian getting threatening letters over a story being published tomorrow alleging both leave campaign colluded breaking election rules.

 

[mcfc1632]

I have read that there is a poll published in the FT today that shows that the population are coming to terms with Brexit and that the 48% has dropped to 22%. It is behind a Pay wall so I have not read it directly - but apparently the key facts are:

45% - Hard Leavers - those backing what is described as a Hard Brexit (stupid term that)

23% - RE-Leavers -Remain voters that now want Leave to happen (probably a case of can we just get it done please - wish there were more like that on here)

22% - Remainers - those that still continue to oppose leaving the EU

Just putting it out there

 

[smudgedj]

I have read that there is a poll published in the FT today that shows that the population are coming to terms with Brexit and that the 48% has dropped to 22%. It is behind a Pay wall so I have not read it directly - but apparently the key facts are:

45% - Hard Leavers - those backing what is described as a Hard Brexit (stupid term that)

23% - RE-Leavers -Remain voters that now want Leave to happen (probably a case of can we just get it done please - wish there were more like that on here)

22% - Remainers - those that still continue to oppose leaving the EU

Just putting it out there

I'll PM the article to you.

 

[mcfc1632]

Thanks

 

[The perfect fumble]

I have read that there is a poll published in the FT today that shows that the population are coming to terms with Brexit and that the 48% has dropped to 22%. It is behind a Pay wall so I have not read it directly - but apparently the key facts are:

45% - Hard Leavers - those backing what is described as a Hard Brexit (stupid term that)

23% - RE-Leavers -Remain voters that now want Leave to happen (probably a case of can we just get it done please - wish there were more like that on here)

22% - Remainers - those that still continue to oppose leaving the EU

Just putting it out there

Of course.

YouGov poll 10th May.

In hindsight, do you think Britain was right or wrong to vote to leave the EU?

Wrong 45%

Right 44%

Don't know 11%

http://whatukthinks.org/eu/question...n-was-right-or-wrong-to-vote-to-leave-the-eu/