General Election June 8th

[mcfc1632]

But Brown was meant to be Keynesian. He should have run a surplus during the growth a la Germany. Then there'd have been no need to run up quite such a huge debt in 2008-10.

As I said before, there's a difference between a remortgage to build an extension and a 110% mortgage to fund a holiday in Florida.

Brown's public spending was as ideological as the Tory's austerity measures.

I was working with the Treasury in these key years. My 'memory' of the view people held of him was that he was a very frustrated man and keen to leave 'his own legacy' - after years of 'finding the funding for Blair's treats'.

People are after all people and you can perhaps understand this - after years of waiting his turn he wanted some big ticket items.

I think that this was behind his obsession with PFI - he must have known the damage he was doing long-term but he wanted to make his mark

Just my opinion

 

[blue cigar]

How many people do you know who use food banks regularly, I mean to sustain themselves because of starvation?
Are you a multi millionaire, silver spoon individual who has no concept of poverty or deprivation? Nurses are not on starvation
wages for christ's sake, we have a poster on here who would be glad to earn half of what a nurse gets on qualification.
This feeble and pathetic attempt to paint Britain as some festering shithole with folk dying in the street is laughable,
by all means champion your political choice, but this claptrap is embarassing.

Well try looking at the govt figures for child poverty smart arse.i do know people who really struggle and i know people who have lost disability benefits but cannot work, care to fuckin explain who is responsible? That corbyns fault is it? Before you come out with general bullshit about food banks try some research or risk coming across as a typical tory boy. Again.

 

[blue cigar]

You see

Put on blue cigars labour spectacles(free on the NHS) and you get

You like photos of young boys i see. You have reinforced the image of a stereotypical tory boy, completely ignorant to real life and more than a bit dim. Bravo hilts....
Strong and stable

 

[The perfect fumble]

So far

May
Thatcher
The queen
Brexit
A crystal ball

Come on throw trump in I know you want to and we still get back to the fact you defend a guy who likes people who kill kids.

I have difficulty with guys like you. I really do.

You really think that Corbyn likes people who kill kids, that he actually considers that a positive characteristic in people he chooses to associate with.

You have such a proud thick seam of ignorance and prejudice.

I should have pity for you, but I find you repulsive.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Well try looking at the govt figures for child poverty smart arse.i do know people who really struggle and i know people who have lost disability benefits but cannot work, care to fuckin explain who is responsible? That corbyns fault is it? Before you come out with general bullshit about food banks try some research or risk coming across as a typical tory boy. Again.

You have no idea of poverty. Go travelling. Why the fuck do you think people travel half way round the world to try and come here? It's because with an ounce of oumph in the uk you will be ok.

Yet you believe nurses use food banks because the guardian told you.

 

[blue cigar]

You have no idea of poverty. Go travelling. Why the fuck do you think people travel half way round the world to try and come here? It's because with an ounce of oumph in the uk you will be ok.

Yet you believe nurses use food banks because the guardian told you.

Lets try again....slowly...
The govts own figures state a huge rise in food banks and the use of food , i know people in the nhs and i know why they use food banks, i dont take any newspaper because they push their own agendas. You end up believing what they print and looking a bit of a dick because it shows.
By the way, do we have to have children living in mud huts before your type admit there is a poverty problem in this country?

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Lets try again....slowly...
The govts own figures state a huge rise in food banks and the use of food , i know people in the nhs and i know why they use food banks, i dont take any newspaper because they push their own agendas. You end up believing what they print and looking a bit of a dick because it shows.
By the way, do we have to have children living in mud huts before your type admit there is a poverty problem in this country?

We have inequality, that's different from child poverty. Last I looked we had free education free school meals, child allowance and housing benefit .

Go to Africa South America or Asia and see how it compares. Stop exaggerating.

 

[blue cigar]

I have difficulty with guys like you. I really do.

You really think that Corbyn likes people who kill kids, that he actually considers that a positive characteristic in people he chooses to associate with.

You have such a proud thick seam of ignorance and prejudice.

I should have pity for you, but I find you repulsive.

Hilts is beyong help. Thatcher had half a cabinet of nonces and associated with pinochet but this tosser just wants to s

I have difficulty with guys like you. I really do.

You really think that Corbyn likes people who kill kids, that he actually considers that a positive characteristic in people he chooses to associate with.

You have such a proud thick seam of ignorance and prejudice.

I should have pity for you, but I find you repulsive.

Hilts is the sort of tosspot that has a go at corbyn but would defend thatcher and her cabinet if nonces?? Bit strange that.

 

[smudgedj]

You should always judge people by the company they keep....

Sure you can

 

[CityStu]

That chart was done to death a while ago on the forum.
Labour borrowing was high in 2008 and 2009 because of the global financial crisis.
If the Tories had then adopted a sensible deficit reduction programme ( rather than the crash and burn policy up to 2012 followed by drug injections to revive the economy) we probably would have eliminated the deficit by now and been reducing the national debt of 1.7tn.

Precisely my point. Labour should have carried on growing the surplus from 2002 through 2007 in order to cope with the effects of a recession. Instead, Brown arrogantly claimed that it was the end of boom and bust and started to spend more than he had, when relatively, he had an awful lot. Labour essentially made the recession a lot harder than it had to be.