General Election June 8th

[vonkeynotvenky]

Changing the system because the result or the way the country is voting isn't democracy is it though? It's quite the opposite.

 

[SWP's back]

Legislating on the mood of the ignorant electorate isn't a winning strategy.

So to sum up, democracy isn't working as the people that vote are idiots?

Fair enough.

 

[Vic]

We all support City. We would all rather City spend £200m this summer than give £2.7m to every league club from the Championship down.

That's about philanthropy. My post was about why some people should have so much money that they can be generous (not that being rich makes people generous) while others have to rely on generosity. The word "accumulation" was the clue.

 

[SWP's back]

That's about philanthropy. My post was about why some people should have so much money that they can be generous (not that being rich makes people generous) while others have to rely on generosity. The word "accumulation" was the clue.

Some people have so much money because they have put themselves in that position. A CEO earning £3m per year at a successful company ends up working for nearly two and a half days "for free" with income tax how it is at present. Do you not think they are already paying "their fair share"?

They would argue only so many have the skill or ability or training or experience to do their job whilst the cleaner they employ or low level analyst could be replaced with ease.

To take it back to football, there are only so many players in the PL and they get paid the most, but few bemoan one player getting paid in a year 3x the amount of all the players combined in the Conference. That is because people understand talent in football, but don't have the same view of business.

 

[MellowJoe]

Yeah - I understand - I was not meaning anything 'pointed' towards you in my post - there are many countries that successfully operate a system of PR

As long as I have been old enough to vote I have been unable to make my vote count for anything – apart from the Referendum.

That is because for many years I lived in a constituency that has always been Labour – and likely always will be.

As events led to me moving location I have ended up in a constituency that has probably always been Conservative – and likely always will be.

So I feel pretty disenfranchised with the current system – but I recognise that it is the one we have

It seems very strange that people can be content with a system that means that the power to affect change essentially resides with the relatively small percentage of the population that live in marginals

Exactly. It's not fair or right. Our votes are turned to shit, to nothing because of where you happen to live.

 

[MellowJoe]

So to sum up, democracy isn't working as the people that vote are idiots?

Fair enough.

Yeah, but I like the way I said it better.

 

[SWP's back]

Yeah, but I like the way I said it better.

I made it simple for idiots to understand. :-)

 

[Chippy_boy]

Some people have so much money because they have put themselves in that position. A CEO earning £3m per year at a successful company ends up working for nearly two and a half days "for free" with income tax how it is at present. Do you not think they are already paying "their fair share"?

They would argue only so many have the skill or ability or training or experience to do their job whilst the cleaner they employ or low level analyst could be replaced with ease.

To take it back to football, there are only so many players in the PL and they get paid the most, but few bemoan one player getting paid in a year 3x the amount of all the players combined in the Conference. That is because people understand talent in football, but don't have the same view of business.

It does my head in to hear Labour supporters banging on about "the rich" should pay their "fare share", with the implication that they are not.

A person on £120k per year currently pays about £40,000 in tax. A person on £20,000 pays around £1,700. So the person earning 6 times as much, pays 24 times more tax, as it stands. And Labour think 24 times more is not enough, and people should pay even more than that???

The other thing that does my head in is people who are either too thick or too greedy or both, banging on about how we should spend more on the NHS, more on child care, more on education, more on pensions, more on railways, more on this, more on that. Maybe I should call them "the morons". It's all gimme gimme gimme, I want, I want, I want. And not a fucking thought about how on earth we as a society are supposed to pay for all their freebies. And if they are asked, you usually get shit like,

"Just get the rich to pay, yeah, that'll sort it. And companies too, yeah, those tax dodgers, they can pay as well."

Basically they want anyone else to pay, so long as they don't have to, and they get all the stuff they want for free.

Makes me want to throw up.

 

[BlueHammer85]

 

[stonerblue]

How many people do you know who use food banks regularly, I mean to sustain themselves because of starvation?
Are you a multi millionaire, silver spoon individual who has no concept of poverty or deprivation? Nurses are not on starvation
wages for christ's sake, we have a poster on here who would be glad to earn half of what a nurse gets on qualification.

5 years training and a 50k debt at the end of it and bingo! 22k a year and the highlife beckons.

This feeble and pathetic attempt to paint Britain as some festering shithole with folk dying in the street is laughable,
by all means champion your political choice, but this claptrap is embarassing.