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Road fund license.Who paid for the roads that allowed you to travel?
And you don't think he paid his share at 30%?
Road fund license.Who paid for the roads that allowed you to travel?
Because it's my money and the welfare on offer is not commensurate with what is paid in. Tax has a place but when it's up over 50% then it stops being fair.
As an example, my father ran a successful business for many years, fell ill and had to sell his business at an inopportune time. He'd always reinvested his profits into his company and if he'd sold it a few years earlier or few years later then he'd have had sufficient to comfortably retire on. As it is, he's 72 and receives just over £1,100 gross per month from his various state pensions yet he paid tax at the highest rate for decades and employed 20 odd people for all that time. My mother receives £64 per month as she was an unofficial secretary/housewife and thus didn't get a large number of qualifying NI years.
That's a crap return for what was actually pod into the system. I urged them to call the DSS or whatever it's called now and find out if they qualify for anything, and they don't apart from a modest council tax reduction. So I send a couple of grand back to the UK each month and have done since I emigrated to supplement their household income and to allow them some sense of freedom. If I was in the U.K., I wouldn't have the disposable income to do that.
If tax monies were well spent then there's a good argument for it, but on the whole, it isn't well spent. There's too much wastage. There's too much spent on defence for pointless wars, £13bn on foreign aid (including some countries with a fucking space programme), £20bn lost through public sector fraud, £1.2bn in CAP payments to foreign farmers. As I say, I understand a country has to provide protection, roads, schools, healthcare and the like to its citizens, but I don't see why grants of £92,000 on a skip covered in flashing lights by the arts council or why the FCA paid £50,000 for a logo change that would have taken anyone on here less than two minutes on Microsoft Publisher.
Road fund license.
And you don't think he paid his share at 30%?
Lol!Who paid for the roads that allowed you to travel?
You've lost the plot mate.So the Government. Who ensured he has clean air and water? Who paid for the healthcare of the nation to ensure he didn't get smallpox? Who paid his way for 10 years and have him an out?
As I've pointed out in great detail, this "I did it on my own" stuff is a total myth believed either by people who aren't really thinking it through. This isnt an ideological argument it's a statement of fact unless you happen to be from Liberia or Somalia.
And as I previously mentioned, the idea of a "fair share" doesn't make any sense. This is like asking if when you win at the bookies, them giving you your higher stake back is a "fair share". I can't answer this because the question is malformed. There's no such thing as a fair or unfair share. There's no such thing as a share. Yes, tax rates can theoretically become too high if that's the question.
Why are some people so against paying taxes? Interested to hear the arguments.
Personally, I'd rather live in a fair society that works and have to pay a bit more to the government every year than one where the sick, elderly, young and inferm are left to rot. And for that you have to pay for it.
I agree and empathise with every single word. The state is such an inefficient and wasteful entity, money given to them (i.e. taken off you) is largely wasted. And i include councils in "the state" by the way - they are just as bad. Therefore, logically, we need the state to do as little as possible and be given as little money as possible. And allow more efficient organisations to do whatever work needs doing. Organisations to whom pissing money down the drain, actually matters.
Why shouldn't they be?means testing the elderly to remove their winter fuel allowance (Probably cost more to implement than savings ...next will be taking their free bus passes off them.