General Election June 8th

[SWP's back]

When I saw the picture I thought there must be another reason for so many coppers being in such a small space but can I believe they were police/other surveillance stationed 24/7? Of course, that's very believable as he could slip out otherwise. I can also believe it was in part pressured from other nations too.

As far I'm aware, there were two coppers stationed 24:7 outside and checked those leaving were not Assange in disguise.

Still a total and utter waste of resources mind.

 

[urban genie]

You're asking a Tory voter to explain why a socialist fanatic would sign such a letter?

Please name a socialists society that hasn't had a effective inteligence service, I wouldn't worry about that stuff if honest, us lefties excell at snooping. ;-)

 

[SWP's back]

Please name a socialists society that hasn't had a effective inteligence service, I wouldn't worry about that stuff if honest, us lefties excell at snooping. ;-)

Very true.

I've still no idea why he'd sign it though.

 

[urban genie]

Very true.

I've still no idea why he'd sign it though.

Me niether.
and on dissarming the police, if we do that who in our apparent marxist leninist, utopia is gonna round up all the bourgeoisie and line them up in a barn?

 

[mcfc1632]

Weak defence of May there mate.
Wondered how you were feeling now about the strength of our negotiating position with the EU given that the supreme leader has been shown to be weak and inept and prone to U turn at the slightest pressure.
Not to mention that the EU are stronger and more united than they were a few months back.
See you in the Brexit thread after the GE.

Yes see you there then after the election. But in short I was not really defending May particularly, more I was exposing what I see as your inconsistency with regard Corbyn

With regard to brexit negotiations, at least with a Tory victory we Have a chance of leaving - without it we have no chance, so for me everything follows on from Thursday.

You might of seen from this thread that I am no fan of May particularly. I take comfort from the fact that she will only be a figurehead and professionals will be running the negotiations

 

[CitizenTID]

You're asking a Tory voter to explain why a socialist fanatic would sign such a letter?

It's just not believable as I can't see the justification. Does that fit with socialism? In the marxist theory of it maybe but in transition to communism that would be right at the end of the process surely (and could only be applied where there is no threat, such as another nation). Also surely everybody has realised communism is a failed idea for the modern world unless you're an enclave of a poor version of it. I just can't see that at all so need someone to suggest a reason anyone would.

 

[SWP's back]

It's just not believable as I can't see the justification. Does that fit with socialism? In the marxist theory of it maybe but in transition to communism that would be right at the end of the process surely (and could only be applied where there is no threat, such as another nation). Also surely everybody has realised communism is a failed idea for the modern world unless you're an enclave of a poor version of it. I just can't see that at all so need someone to suggest a reason anyone would.

Only believable reason I can find is that the pillock signed and posed with it without reading it as he was busy.

 

[mcfc1632]

No I voted remain and only because we had a tory government, who I don't trust to look after us if we left. If labour had been in charge I would have voted leave as the EU doesn't fit with socialist ideals in the form it is, and I believe labour out of europe would look after the uk public better after

Also there was a large contingent of left wingers who believed in leave, and since the result I haven't really cared that it was leave.

Interesting and for me particularly satisfying to find someone so committed to labour able to debate

Now I know that was a bit gratuitous, but I've had to put up with some right nonsense on other threads.

A genuine question that I have tried to get answers to from those of a keen left persuasion on other threads, is that given that it is utterly impossible for a left wing socialist model to be introduced into the UK whilst we are in the EU - why did not more people that proclaim themselves to be left wing vote leave it seems terribly inconsistent - and to those of my views somewhat shallow.

That last bit re shallshallowness was most certainly not aimed at you, but can you understand why it seems strange that those who proclaim to be so supportive of a left wing socialist model cannot vote for the only condition in which it can be achieved in the UK.

Once we leave the EU then of course if the majority of the UK support such a socialist ideal we can move to it - it can never happen whilst we remain in the EU

For me this one simple debating point renders the points of most of the ardent Labour supporters that voted remain to be, to a degree, self demonstrably invalid

 

[stonerblue]

some absolute tripe being spouted on here today. Yet again the country seems to be divided by politics.

 

[CitizenTID]

Smarter man than any of us:

https://www.rt.com/uk/390993-stephan-hawking-labour-corbyn/

Stephen Hawking voting Labour - “I’m voting Labour because another five years of Conservative government would be a disaster for the NHS, the police and other public services,”