General Election June 8th

[urban genie]

Interesting and for me particularly satisfying to find someone so committed to labour able to debate

Now I know that was a bit gratuitous, but I've had to put up with some write nonsense on other threads. A genuine question that I have tried to get answers from those of a keen left persuasion on other threads, is that given that it is utterly impossible for a left wing socialist model to be introduced in to the UK whilst we are in the EU - why did not more people that proclaim themselves to be left wing vote leave it seems terribly inconsistent - and to those of my views somewhat shallow.

That last bit re shallshallowness was most certainly not aimed at you, but can you understand why it seems strange that those who proclaim to be so supportive of a left wing socialist model cannot vote for the only condition in which it can be achieved in the UK.

Once we leave the EU then of course if the majority of the UK support such a socialist ideal we can move to it - it can never happen whilst we remain in the EU

For me this one simple debating point renders the points of most of the ardent Labour supporters that voted remain to be invalid

Personnally the treatment of greece proved that the EU should have had any left wimger voting leave and I will admit I decided in the booth, partly because I never expected remain to lose and also because as I said I expected a tory exit would lead to living a really shit life once they had had their way (basically I voted to keep the workimg time directive, maternity rights, workers rights etc that I still think the tories will ditch).

Many said left or right didn't come into the decission but for me it was important, I know a few labour friends who voted leave, some like me voted remain but losing hasn't bothered us and a small number who were distraut and still waffle on about it.

All in all if we had the referendum again I would probably vote leave as it was 50/50 on the day.

 

[urban genie]

some absolute tripe being spouted on here today. Yet again the country seems to be divided by politics.

Isn't that the point?

 

[smudgedj]

some absolute tripe being spouted on here today. Yet again the country seems to be divided by politics.

Well that's the idea.

 

[Ell-ano]

Personnally the treatment of greece proved that the EU should have had any left wimger voting leave and I will admit I decided in the booth, partly because I never expected remain to lose and also because as I said I expected a tory exit would lead to living a really shit life once they had had their way (basically I voted to keep the workimg time directive, maternity rights, workers rights etc that I still think the tories will ditch).

Many said left or right didn't come into the decission but for me it was important, I know a few labour friends who voted leave, some like me voted remain but losing hasn't bothered us and a small number who were distraut and still waffle on about it.

All in all if we had the referendum again I would probably vote leave as it was 50/50 on the day.

I voted remain on the day, but wasn't too bothered over which way it went. I'd seen that left leaning parties were urging people to vote leave, and it nearly persuaded me, in the end I think I just went with the safe/ easy option. Hopefully Labour can get in and make the most of it. I'm not holding my breath but hoping.

 

[mcfc1632]

Ah, let's go back to the May hope of turning it into a second referendum. European leaders devise her, there is absolutely nothing to say that Corbyn wouldn't get a better deal at this point.

On that last bit about Corbyn getting a better outcome you are utterly wrong from my point of view and I think I'm qualified to make that statement

But that is a subject for the A50 thread

 

[stonerblue]

Well I do not want to waste any of my time in a toing and froing with those that are too fixated in their views to have any ability to debate - but 2 quick points

1. You say:

Corbyn said he would rather bring him to trial than kill him. Now, given the supposed wish of these twats to die for their cause, wouldn't locking the fucker up forever have been more of a 'punishment'?

My view: Well that is fair - of sorts - but also (IMO) disingenuous.

We would all (well most of us) prefer people like Jihadi John to be captured - but he was hidden away out of reach in Raqqa - committing these atrocities.

This is where the dissembling of Corbyn is fully exposed - he could have said things like -"..... whilst in general I am opposed to these types of action until all other avenues have been explored, but in this case - with this disgusting man committing such dreadful atrocities - I accept that the means justifies the end........."

Did he say anything like that? - or did he just criticise the action?

2. You say:

And give over with all this 'lefty' this 'lefty' that bollocks.

Fair enough - You are right

I am thinking that you will likely suggest that the term LWNJ is the right one to use - is that right??

I am assuming this because the term RWNJ has been in wide use across the political threads these last months and a quick search does not show you picking anyone up on that term

I'm flattered that you did a search. Could you show me the last time i used the acronym RWNJ ?

 

[hilts]

I'm flattered that you did a search. Could you show me the last time i used the acronym RWNJ ?

5 minutes ago

 

[mcfc1632]

I'm flattered that you did a search. Could you show me the last time i used the acronym RWNJ ?

Surely? you can see that the point I was making and that you choose to miss, is that you picked me up on saying ' Lefty ' and yet on the many many occasions people have said RWNJ you have not said a word.

I have found inconsistency and selective comments seems to be a preferred approach of lefties - sorry LWNJs - sorry - whatever you allow...

 

[Two Gun Bob]

Smarter man than any of us:

https://www.rt.com/uk/390993-stephan-hawking-labour-corbyn/

Stephen Hawking voting Labour - “I’m voting Labour because another five years of Conservative government would be a disaster for the NHS, the police and other public services,”

It marks a stark reversal in Hawking’s previous views. In March he branded Corbyn a “disaster.”
He urged the Labour leader to “step down for the sake of the party.”
“His heart is in the right place and many of his policies are sound but he has allowed himself to be portrayed as a left-wing extremist.
I think he should step down for the sake of the party,” Hawking said at the time.

So he is thinking like many of our electorate who are in a perpetual state of Limbo.(Fictional place in Catholisim between heaven and hell)
Labour without those three stooges could indeed be a viable option.
Clever man that Hawkings.Knows his onions.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Just a quick thought, All those in here engaging in Project Fear Corbyn. Aren't you same fellas who hated the Remain Project Fear?

It's pissing down in Gateshead but they're turning out for Corbyn....


Why? Because he gives people hope.