General Election June 8th

[geoff clipp]

Because there's too much of it! It cripples the NHS for a start. My wife has had, wait for it, 4 operations cancelled this year alone!

Nevermind ISIS using it as a fucking open door into the country to bomb our families.

My dad has had similar experiences with hospital treatment. I honestly don't believe it's down to immigration so much as underfunding though. With regards to ISIS, it has been stated on numerous occasions by those living in the relevant communities that it is second and third generation immigrants rather than new arrivals who all falling prey to radicalisation. I know it won't change your mind, but I honestly can't see a cut in immigration improving either of those problems.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Part of the problem is that she has surrounded herself with a cabal of advisors through whom everything must be run: inwards and outwards. These are not political appointments but people whom she has long trusted and, of course, she has risen to the top, so how could it go wrong? This in some ways has led her to believe in her own infallibility. Arguably, she had to rely on those people because for most of her political life she has remained aloof from party politics and didn't work the tea rooms in the Commons to gather genuine support. She thus became leader of the Party more because the other candidates were unpalatable rather than anything to do with her merits. Oddly, it now looks as if she will become Prime Minister in similar circumstances.

Who knows, but all sounds very plausible.

It seems to me she was guilty of believing the hype that she was marvellous (as evidenced by her personal approval ratings which were sky high, and which seemed even higher compared to the unelectable Corbyn). Hence her presenting "my manifesto" at the outset and the signage having no sign of the word Conservative anywhere.

She arrogantly thought she would walk it, hence other blunders like not being arsed to cost the manifesto.

And then when the public slapped her across the face, she was like a rabbit in headlights, completely unprepared for what was happening. I think she's recovered a bit of composure, but certainly the mask has slipped big time.

 

[Chippy_boy]

well yea technically she is, but she hasn't been elected to be prime minister by the public ( in a general election) and that would always be used against her.

Not much; we don't elect PM's do we. We elect parties. I know what you mean, but I doubt what you say will have any impact in day to day work in parliament, and the public don't get another say until the next election, so what they think (after this one) will be irrelevant.

 

[Vic]

Not quite as small as you think. The needle concerned was probably a small night gate into a big City. Jerusalem had them for example. A camel would have to be unloaded to get it though the small night gate.

I must have missed the original post. Was someone mixing up Corbyn with the original JC?

That small gate idea has no evidence to back it up. Just some rich Christians coming up with an excuse to avoid the Master's clear teaching on how hard it is for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God.

Weep and howl you rich for the miseries coming upon you.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=4swKO3M8iO8C&pg=PA97&lpg=PA97&dq=chartists+church+1839+weep+and+howl&source=bl&ots=5Is75MJs5Q&sig=UbYaxf4dTMhAW3lyB6JytNOts30&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwipyf3JsanUAhUkB8AKHYQuAf4Q6AEIHjAB#v=onepage&q=chartists church 1839 weep and howl&f=false

(See p97)

Not much; we don't elect PM's do we. We elect parties. I know what you mean, but I doubt what you say will have any impact in day to day work in parliament, and the public don't get another say until the next election, so what they think (after this one) will be irrelevant.

We elect an MP

 

[mcfc1632]

they arent going to get rid of her with brexit negotiations coming up. one of the reasons she called an election was because she hadnt won an election before. they arent going to do a leadership contest again and have an unelected leader. thats just my opinion though.

I fully agree with that

once the elections are over and assuming May wins - negotiations will start and all this will fade into the past

That is so long as she gets more than 40 majority

 

[backforCity]

Who knows, but all sounds very plausible.

It seems to me she was guilty of believing the hype that she was marvellous (as evidenced by her personal approval ratings which were sky high, and which seemed even higher compared to the unelectable Corbyn). Hence her presenting "my manifesto" at the outset and the signage having no sign of the word Conservative anywhere.

She arrogantly thought she would walk it, hence other blunders like not being arsed to cost the manifesto.

And then when the public slapped her across the face, she was like a rabbit in headlights, completely unprepared for what was happening. I think she's recovered a bit of composure, but certainly the mask has slipped big time.

I think she is more comfortable inside number 10 "getting the job done". She said it many times when she was made leader.
Seems that PM,s need to be a Salesman with great personality, great product knowledge and enthusiasm. But also need to produce and supply said product at the right time, quality etc. Cameron was ok Salesman but didn't get the job done.
I trust her to negotiate Brexit for us all.

 

[Gabriel]

Who knows, but all sounds very plausible.

It seems to me she was guilty of believing the hype that she was marvellous (as evidenced by her personal approval ratings which were sky high, and which seemed even higher compared to the unelectable Corbyn). Hence her presenting "my manifesto" at the outset and the signage having no sign of the word Conservative anywhere.

She arrogantly thought she would walk it, hence other blunders like not being arsed to cost the manifesto.

And then when the public slapped her across the face, she was like a rabbit in headlights, completely unprepared for what was happening. I think she's recovered a bit of composure, but certainly the mask has slipped big time.

It was certainly presidential from the off, as her team instructed her to keep Ministers muzzled and to keep the narrative on Brexit and May versus Corbyn; all typically Lynton Crosby. Unsurprisingly, now that the narrative has changed to terrorism and her own record as Home Secretary, the silence of supportive Ministers is deafening. Good luck picking a Cabinet on Friday. :-)

 

[mcfc1632]

Out of interest, would you have done the same trawling through a candidate's history if it were Nelson Mandela standing for this election?

To be fair I wouldn't have needed to trawl through the Internet to understand the history of Nelson Mandela

I of course would not have been making those posts if it was not for the volume of apologist posts dressing up corbyn's behaviour as something holier-than-thou rather than the reality of what it was

But just read your own post back.

You can only be asking that question because you know that what I have posted is actually true - and exposes the reengineering of history that some posters on here have been doing

Your other option would have been to post all the evidence you found to support the fact that Corbyn had indeed been even handed and supportive of Unionist -- but I guess that you didn't find any did you

 

[Chippy_boy]

I think she is more comfortable inside number 10 "getting the job done". She said it many times when she was made leader.
Seems that PM,s need to be a Salesman with great personality, great product knowledge and enthusiasm. But also need to produce and supply said product at the right time, quality etc. Cameron was ok Salesman but didn't get the job done.
I trust her to negotiate Brexit for us all.

I'd agree with that in the main, although I am not a big fan with her confrontational style re Brexit.

But we have no clue what the nutter Corbyn would do. He's saying he'll keep us in the customs union and implement immigration control and take back our law-making control. When he can't have it, what's his policy? Does anyone know?

 

[Chippy_boy]

It was certainly presidential from the off, as her team instructed her to keep Ministers muzzled and to keep the narrative on Brexit and May versus Corbyn; all typically Lynton Crosby. Unsurprisingly, now that the narrative has changed to terrorism and her own record as Home Secretary, the silence of supportive Ministers is deafening. Good luck picking a Cabinet on Friday. :-)

Yes, I am struck with that too. Where the **** are they all? Where's the attacks on the front foot about how Labour landed us with £170bn a year of deficit? The attacks on Labour's record on unemployment (always raising it.) etc. It's all very defensive and well, quiet.