General Election June 8th

[domalino]

Oops. I read Hilts comment as a joke

Yeah I realise now! Went straight over my head, it's too early.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

A lot of casual racism in this thread over ms Abbott. Get well soon your country needs you.

She's not been replaced he's just got someone to cover for the period of her "illness".

Well, if Ms Abbott really is ill, I wish her a speedy recovery, after all, we're all humans with compassion for the sick.
I just hope the Doc treating her doesn't prescribe more than 3 sets of tablets, to be taken 4 times a day,
she'd probably be in intensive care by the time she worked that out.

 

[hilts]

Racist

Too far my friend

It's casual racist

 

[Len Rum]

She's not been replaced he's just got someone to cover for the period of her "illness".

You wish.

 

[pirate]

I hear you mate, and I don't seek to defend absolutely everything. I've been very critical of May in particular as you will have seen.

But all the things you cite are government spending reductions. That's what they are. A government spending too much and receiving too little, needs to cut its spending and boost its income. It does that by raising taxes and by making cuts.

It is of course unavoidable that cuts you describe are felt more by people who receive such benefits. But you cannot cut *nothing*, so what would you have them cut? More police cuts? Deeper NHS cuts? Seriously what would you have them cut MORE, in order to maintain the benefits you describe.

On the other side of the coin, taxes have been increased with more and more people paying 40% on part of their incomes. The reduction in the top rate from 50% to 45% may sound unsavoury (it does) but it actually raises MORE tax and therefore helps. Perhaps the Tories should not have cut it simply because doing so looks bad, I accept that. But cutting it did raise more money.

tax more and enforce it properly



the only reason that reducing more the top rate increases revenue (a very neglible increase) is that more people stop trying evade paying it. Policing it better at highre rate would have more benefit.

 

[The perfect fumble]

The ability of Ms Abbott had nothing to do with her race, nor was it ever suggested so on here.

Of course, Abbott is uniquely inept and it was therefore essential for certain posters to ensure this fact was front and centre, page after page after page, so that it received the forensic analysis it richly deserved.

 

[Chippy_boy]

tax more and enforce it properly



the only reason that reducing more the top rate increases revenue (a very neglible increase) is that more people stop trying evade paying it. Policing it better at highre rate would have more benefit.

I agree with your middle sentence. But you cannot "police" what is not illegal, and I don't think much activity is illegal. People earning £200k a year on PAYE have to pay whatever the tax rate is, since it's taken off them at source and there's nothing they can do about it.

So that is not the demographic we are talking about. The people who avoided (not evade) paying 50% are those who have their own businesses and / or who are worth millions, even billions. If tax rates are too high, they simply pay themselves elsewhere, or restructure their businesses in some other way to avoid it. This may be unfair, but that's what they do.

That's why the LibDems want a 1p rise on the basic rate. They know from experience in government that raising the top rate, doesn't generate any money.

 

[Chippy_boy]

You wish.

The irony of Tories wishing that the Shadow Home Secretary can remain in her job, whilst Labour hope she doesn't, is very amusing indeed :-)

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

You wish.

Now now. Don't shoot the messenger, Leonard.

 

[jonmcity]

I agree with your middle sentence. But you cannot "police" what is not illegal, and I don't think much activity is illegal. People earning £200k a year on PAYE have to pay whatever the tax rate is, since it's taken off them at source and there's nothing they can do about it.

So that is not the demographic we are talking about. The people who avoided (not evade) paying 50% are those who have their own businesses and / or who are worth millions, even billions. If tax rates are too high, they simply pay themselves elsewhere, or restructure their businesses in some other way to avoid it. This may be unfair, but that's what they do.

Tax avoidance although not illegal is morally corrupt. We should point out all the celebs and businesses that are avoiding tax, and let the consumer decide if they want to spend their money with them.