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Labour have been saying this since '52
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General Election June 8th
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Chippy_boy
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Are you seriously saying that privatisation has been a success for the general public? Is the east cost train line run any worse than the west coast?
£12 billion to shareholders, these are the only beneficiaries.
I think the trains are a joke, and were a joke before they were privatised. We've seen a decade of above inflation price increases to fund new investment like the electrification of the GWR line from London to Bristol, for example. This is because the government has not put enough public money in, preferring to fleece by a lot, the people using the service, instead of fleecing everyone a bit less.
The way they were privatised was imo wrong, because it doesn't allow for proper competition, so it's been one of the worst privatisations. But if you hark back to some Orient Express days of luxurious, comfortable, reliable and cheap trains, this is rose coloured glasses extraordinaire. The rail system in this country has been shite for half a century or more.
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Just noticed the man behind Corbyn's campaign a chap called Seamus Milne ex Grauniad journalist. Notice he has an 'interesting' background.
'Milne is the younger son of former BBC Director General Alasdair Milne and his wife Sheila Kirsten, née Graucob, who was of Irish and Danish ancestry.[10][11] He attended Winchester College, where he stood in a mock election in 1974 as a Maoist Party candidate,[12]
After graduating from Oxford University, Milne became the business manager of Straight Left, a monthly publication produced from 1979 by a pro-Soviet faction in the Communist Party of Great Britain.[14] Its supporters were not exclusively communists: several left-wing Labour MPs with pro-Soviet bloc sympathies sat on its editorial committee; Milne was not a Communist Party member.[15] Peter Popham wrote in a 1997 article for The Independent that "there is no mistaking that Seumas is on the far left of the Labour Party, of which he has been a member for 20 years'.
Are these 'really' the people we want running our country, communist sympathisers and Maoists? Definitely falls into the champagne socialist category. I notice his parents didn't object to sending him to an independent boarding school but hypocrisy is standard Labour party doctrine.
'Milne is the younger son of former BBC Director General Alasdair Milne and his wife Sheila Kirsten, née Graucob, who was of Irish and Danish ancestry.[10][11] He attended Winchester College, where he stood in a mock election in 1974 as a Maoist Party candidate,[12]
After graduating from Oxford University, Milne became the business manager of Straight Left, a monthly publication produced from 1979 by a pro-Soviet faction in the Communist Party of Great Britain.[14] Its supporters were not exclusively communists: several left-wing Labour MPs with pro-Soviet bloc sympathies sat on its editorial committee; Milne was not a Communist Party member.[15] Peter Popham wrote in a 1997 article for The Independent that "there is no mistaking that Seumas is on the far left of the Labour Party, of which he has been a member for 20 years'.
Are these 'really' the people we want running our country, communist sympathisers and Maoists? Definitely falls into the champagne socialist category. I notice his parents didn't object to sending him to an independent boarding school but hypocrisy is standard Labour party doctrine.
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Ha. Do you even know the rates? Or is it just a stock response to any tax (it needs increasing)?It needs to be increased then.
Labour have been saying this since '52
This government is likely to preside over the largest sustained fall in NHS spending as a share of GDP since 1951, an analysis by the King's Fund says.
The health think tank told the BBC the decade to 2020 would see the longest reduction in the share of the economy devoted to health spending since the middle of the last century.
Meanwhile, an NHS trust head suggested charges might need to be introduced.
The government ruled this out and said it would invest £10bn by 2020.
The King's Fund analysis says: "The 10 years up to 2020-21 are likely to see the largest sustained fall in NHS spending as a share of GDP in any period since 1951."
Chippy_boy
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There will be no Nurses unless we start paying them correctly, especially as they want to stop EU Nurses filling the gap. The increased needs of the elderly, due to inept social care in the community means that the NHS will start to fail. No doubt the excuse to privatise it, as shareholders will run it more efficiently, just like the other privatised utilities. Not.
Clearly you cannot remember when it took the GPO two to three months to install a phone in your house and they charged you a bloody fortune to *rent* the damned thing off them. You're dreaming mate if you think public-run services are better. Everything the government runs is an utter shambles.
That said, there is no chance in hell of the Tories privitising the NHS. It would lose them the election in an instant; it is a sacred cow in this country. If we cannot recruit nurses, we'll have to pay them more in order to do so. It's as simple as that and no amount of scaremongering will change that.
Ha. Do you even know the rates? Or is it just a stock response to any tax (it needs increasing)?
If he is paying no tax on hundreds of millions a year profits he can afford it.
Silva could end up in a coalition government though.
Very good, haha.
Chippy_boy
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Very nice from a smug c**t
I used the wrong word in a quick fire response.
My opinion is relevant and I will use it tomorrow.
He's right though mate. The debt has gone up because of the deficit that Labour handed to the Tories. Vote any way you like by all means, but if you are influenced by thinking the debt has gone up because of the Tories (I doubt you give a shit actually) then you are making a mistake. Had they spent even more on the services you seem to want us to splurge on then the debt would be higher still. You cannot have your cake and eat it.
Seems to be run fairly efficiently to me, just needs more money to deal with an increasing and ageing population. We need to increase tax revenue to pay for it.
- In comparison with the healthcare systems of ten other countries (Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland and USA) the NHS was found to be the most impressive overall by the Commonwealth Fund in 2014.
- The NHS was rated as the best system in terms of efficiency, effective care, safe care, coordinated care, patient-centred care and cost-related problems. It was also ranked second for equity.
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