General Election June 8th

Who will you vote for at the General Election?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 189 28.8%
  • Labour

    Votes: 366 55.8%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 37 5.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 8 1.2%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 23 3.5%
  • Other

    Votes: 33 5.0%

  • Total voters
    656
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If he is paying no tax on hundreds of millions a year profits he can afford it.
So not "well done Osborne on closing that loop hole for non tax residents that Labour left open"? No, it's simply "raise the CGT rate".

Come on fella, you're an intelligent poster so give credit where it's due. Politics doesn't have to be a football rivalry where everything the oppo does is shit and not good enough.
 
Clearly you cannot remember when it took the GPO two to three months to install a phone in your house and they charged you a bloody fortune to *rent* the damned thing off them. You're dreaming mate if you think public-run services are better. Everything the government runs is an utter shambles.

That said, there is no chance in hell of the Tories privitising the NHS. It would lose them the election in an instant; it is a sacred cow in this country. If we cannot recruit nurses, we'll have to pay them more in order to do so. It's as simple as that and no amount of scaremongering will change that.

Not saying the government should run them directly. Just be the only shareholder, the east coast train line seems to be doing OK. and is cheaper to travel than the west coast.
 
Seems to be run fairly efficiently to me, just needs more money to deal with an increasing and ageing population. We need to increase tax revenue to pay for it.

  • In comparison with the healthcare systems of ten other countries (Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland and USA) the NHS was found to be the most impressive overall by the Commonwealth Fund in 2014.
  • The NHS was rated as the best system in terms of efficiency, effective care, safe care, coordinated care, patient-centred care and cost-related problems. It was also ranked second for equity.
Current expenditure per capita (using the purchasing power parity) for the UK was $4,015 in 2015. This can be compared to $9,451 in the USA, $5,343 in the Netherlands, $5,267 in Germany. The UK had 2.8 physicians per 1,000 people in 2015, compared to 4.1 in Germany (2014), 3.9 in Italy (2014), 3.8 in Spain. The UK had 2.7 hospital beds per 1,000 people in 2014, compared to 8.2 in Germany, 6.2 in France. The UK population is projected to increase from an estimated 64.6 million in mid-2014 to 69.0 million by 2024 and 72.7 million by 2034.
The expenditure per capita figures you quote include private medical cover mate. It's not government expenditure per capita.
 
He's right though mate. The debt has gone up because of the deficit that Labour handed to the Tories. Vote any way you like by all means, but if you are influenced by thinking the debt has gone up because of the Tories (I doubt you give a shit actually) then you are making a mistake. Had they spent even more on the services you seem to want us to splurge on then the debt would be higher still. You cannot have your cake and eat it.

I don't mind reading some of your posts as I respect your determination to follow what you think is right.

But then like your mate you spoil it by what you write in brackets.

Face to face you would not have the nerve. I not here to have personal slanging matches. I put a point across, you do and that should be it.

I will retaliate though like I did with gelson
 
So not "well done Osborne on closing that loop hole for non tax residents that Labour left open"? No, it's simply "raise the CGT rate".

Come on fella, you're an intelligent poster so give credit where it's due. Politics doesn't have to be a football rivalry where everything the oppo does is shit and not good enough.

Well done Osborne, he obviously had to much common sense for this government so they marginalised him.
 
Clearly you cannot remember when it took the GPO two to three months to install a phone in your house and they charged you a bloody fortune to *rent* the damned thing off them. You're dreaming mate if you think public-run services are better. Everything the government runs is an utter shambles.

That said, there is no chance in hell of the Tories privitising the NHS. It would lose them the election in an instant; it is a sacred cow in this country. If we cannot recruit nurses, we'll have to pay them more in order to do so. It's as simple as that and no amount of scaremongering will change that.
But this IS scaremongering, what evidence is there that Labour would "take us back to the 70's", on that principle why are Tories not " taking us back to the 1800's" ? Incidentally saying our railways and utilities can't be run by government isn't currently true, they are being run by foreign governments.
 
Not saying the government should run them directly. Just be the only shareholder, the east coast train line seems to be doing OK. and is cheaper to travel than the west coast.
Not disagreeing with any of what you post but, the east coast train line is run by Virgin/Stagecoach and has been since March 2015. There was absolutely no need for it to go 'private' but sadly, in the UK at least, ideology will always trump common sense, whoever is in power!
 
But this IS scaremongering, what evidence is there that Labour would "take us back to the 70's", on that principle why are Tories not " taking us back to the 1800's" ? Incidentally saying our railways and utilities can't be run by government isn't currently true, they are being run by foreign governments.

Are you sure they are not trying to take us back to the 1800's?
 
Yes it shows that the NHS is run more prudently that private enterprise.
No it shows that the NHS plus private spending in the U.K. is cheaper than private spending elsewhere.

Which is what one would expect as private doctors and nurses are paid more than public ones.

Either way it shows that running a national health service is far more cost effective than one solely based on health insurance.
 
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