General Election June 8th

Who will you vote for at the General Election?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 189 28.8%
  • Labour

    Votes: 366 55.8%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 37 5.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 8 1.2%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 23 3.5%
  • Other

    Votes: 33 5.0%

  • Total voters
    656
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Borrowing rates are at their cheapest in ages. You'd have to be a fool to not seriously consider borrowing now.
I would fully accept this and even support the borrowing - if I had the confidence that it would lead to repayment rather than just be left as increased debt at the point in which inflation drives up interest rates

I guess that I simply do not trust the economic plan and track record of Labour at this very difficult time
 
Your post was a direct response to me saying I wanted to keep borrowing down. You didn't post a graph in relation to borrowing did you? So you've moved the goal posts as I said.
But you said I moved the goalposts after you "called me out" on that post. Now you're saying I moved the goalposts by posting the graph in the first place. So which is it?
 
Social care? What they propose is far less damaging than it is now for most people.

And the economy is in good shape, as well you know.

You really think security would be better under the leadership of a man that voted against anti-terror bill for the last 30 years?
Just how fucking stupidly was that announcement managed !!
 
You're both arguing strawmen which I'm not going to engage you in.

I simply explained for those that are obviously very confused on the subject how the debt is at record levels despite the Tories reducing the deficit by 75%.

It's been explained so many times on this forum in the last two years but I'll go again. You take over a failing company, its losses have been growing on a year by year basis before you come in as follows:

Year one: £10,000 loss (10,000 debt)
Year two: £15,000 loss (25,000 debt)
Year three: £20,000 loss (45,000 debt)

You take and get things in control (overheads drop and you start improving your income) and whilst still not turning a profit, you start getting towards it

Year four £12,000 loss (57,000 debt)
Year five £8,000 loss (65,000 debt)
Year six £6,000 loss (72,000 debt)
Your last sum is a bit wrong there. But in your example, the debt is increasing, but the rate of increase in the debt is decreasing fairly substantially. So why is the same not happening with national debt?
 
Just how fucking stupidly was that announcement managed !!
Oh it was completely idiotic.

But most of those attacking it from the other side don't know that your house has to be sold as it is if you're the owner and you go into care.
 
You're both arguing strawmen which I'm not going to engage you in.

I simply explained for those that are obviously very confused on the subject how the debt is at record levels despite the Tories reducing the deficit by 75%.

It's been explained so many times on this forum in the last two years but I'll go again. You take over a failing company, its losses have been growing on a year by year basis before you come in as follows:

Year one: £10,000 loss (10,000 debt)
Year two: £15,000 loss (25,000 debt)
Year three: £20,000 loss (45,000 debt)

You take and get things in control (overheads drop and you start improving your income) and whilst still not turning a profit, you start getting towards it

Year four £12,000 loss (57,000 debt)
Year five £8,000 loss (65,000 debt)
Year six £6,000 loss (72,000 debt)

The debt has still doubled even though you've reduced the losses by 75% but with good stewardship your back yourself to start making a profit again now everything is under control.

Ps, how anyone can say that a 75% reduction in something is "barely slowing" fuck only knows. If you're going down the motorway at 100mph and come across road works or heavy traffic and drop your speed to 25 mph then I doubt you'd say you've barely slowed.
The slight problem with your analogy is if you take too long to eliminate your deficit ( or reduce your losses), then your total debt racks up and ultimately you can't afford to repay the interest and/or the bank caps your overdraft.
At a country level the effect is not much different. The interest payment on the debt becomes so prohibitive the country has to slash public spending ( at the moment interest rates are historically low but they won't always be that way) or we lose our credit rating and/or the Government can then only borrow at high rates.
Ultimately the country can go bust.
PS The amount of time you take to eliminate the deficit or reduce your losses and by how much is crucial.
 
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