General Election June 8th

[BlueRon7]

Paul Nuttall casting his vote in Congleton.. didn't know he lived there !!

 

[BlueHammer85]

Possibly the most misguided post and graph in the entire thread which is good work at this stage.

The Tories have reduced the deficit they inherited by around 75%. The debt can't reduce until that deficit has had been eradicated as has been explained numberous times. Imagine how bad that graph would look with Labour still in charge.

This is the same deficit which George Osborne claimed would be cleared by 2015

 

[MillionMilesAway]

It won't matter much.
In 5 years time the boundary changes will give a net gain to Conservative seats.
Five years after that, Scotland will withdraw and another 50 seats can be discounted. I suspect a few of the more lunatic Conservatives are quietly supportive of Scotland leaving!

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Paul Nuttall casting his vote in Congleton.. didn't know he lived there !!

Wasn't he in Stoke a few months ago?

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Possibly the most misguided post and graph in the entire thread which is good work at this stage.

The Tories have reduced the deficit they inherited by around 75%. The debt can't reduce until that deficit has had been eradicated as has been explained numberous times. Imagine how bad that graph would look with Labour still in charge.

Is that the deficit they predicted would be eliminated by 2015 under their guidance? What's the prediction now? 2019? 2020? I guess that's what happens when you put a history major in charge of the economy. The point isn't that it's still increasing, it's that it's barely slowing.

Maybe you'd prefer the graph in this article that show that there's barely any distinction between the parties on whether they run a surplus or a deficit. But most importantly, the running of big deficits coincides pretty strongly with Margaret Thatcher's shift to liberal economics.

 

[mcfc1632]

Tuition fee abolition won't cost a penny. The government are paying all the fees now, they just want to hide it on a different side of the balance sheet (like PFI).
Everyone keeps saying hardly anyone will pay it back, so what is the point? If you want payback, then 0.5% on income tax for all graduates for 10/15 years would cover it.

Hmmmm - if it was that simple you would think that the shadow schools minister Mike Kane could have responded better to simple questions than simply doing a 'Diane Abbot impersonation'

 

[Ban-jani]

Is that the deficit they predicted would be eliminated by 2015 under their guidance? What's the prediction now? 2019? 2020? I guess that's what happens when you put a history major in charge of the economy. The point isn't that it's still increasing, it's that it's barely slowing.

You've posted a load of bollocks, been called up on it and then moved the goalposts of the argument.

 

[SWP's back]

1) We don't know what's being proposed for social care under the Tories as they say one thing one day then something else the next day. They talked about a cap but couldn't say what that cap was and the small print behind the headline indicated that it was a very selective cap.

2) You keep saying the economy is in good shape and I showed you why growth was not being driven by the right fundamentals (eg productivity, which was stagnant). At that point you went very quiet. Yes there is some growth but it's weak and has slumped in Q1 2017 and is the weakest in the EU. So we can comprehensively nail the lie that the economy is in good shape.

3) There is a choice between security and civil liberties but even countries where the latter are severely restricted have security issues. Even Israel suffers terror attacks despite having possibly the most effective security services in the world the humiliating & draconian measures taken against Palestinians in the West Bank which effectively ghettoises them.

There is simply no way that anyone can guarantee that we won't suffer more attacks like the ones we've seen recently. Corbyn voted against those measures (most of which have been implemented despite that) not because he's pro-terrorist but because he's anti the erosion of our civil liberties. Because once those are gone, they're gone.

1) which is still better than the current situation with social care that came into being under Labour where your house has to be sold and your beneficiaries get under £30k ring fenced.

2) UK growth has been ahead of the EU average in 5 of the last 7 quarters and is NOT the lowest in Europe. That's a lie.

3) So yes, even Israel gets attacked. Why would you then say the UK has failed just because it's had its first two attacks in 12 years?

 

[mcfc1632]

First paragraph wrong.
Second paragraph correct.

None of what you say ever seems to have any 'correctness' on this subject I am afraid - with this post you just confirm that view

 

[I'm With Stupid]

You've posted a load of bollocks, been called up on it and then moved the goalposts of the argument.

No I didn't. I corrected you on your misinformed interpretation of the data. You said you'd voted for them because they'll cut the debt. I posted data showing that not only have they failed to do that in 7 years of power, but they've also failed to make any significant inroads into the speed of increase in the debt. And now because you can't respond to that criticism, you're resorting to pathetic points like the one above.