General Election June 8th

Who will you vote for at the General Election?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 189 28.8%
  • Labour

    Votes: 366 55.8%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 37 5.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 8 1.2%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 23 3.5%
  • Other

    Votes: 33 5.0%

  • Total voters
    656
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Not sure why you're surprised by that. Manchester has always been a Labour stronghold, and most of our users are Manchester-based. To be honest, I'm glad that, despite claims to the contrary, it's still a predominantly left wing forum. Those on the right just tend to shout louder.

I was pleased to see that result too. The impression I got when I joined was you had all gone right wing. Then I realised its a small group of posters that get involved often and the majority are right wing.

A perfect analogy of perhaps why their views prevail nationally. They shout louder and more often, although I have to admit I can and do shout with the best of them.
 
Not sure why you're surprised by that. Manchester has always been a Labour stronghold, and most of our users are Manchester-based. To be honest, I'm glad that, despite claims to the contrary, it's still a predominantly left wing forum. Those on the right just tend to shout louder.

i wouldn't say its a left wing forum tbh. i think its more in the centre of politics.
 
I actually believe that under all the political posturing the aim of both major parties is to find a way to remain in the single market without having the rest of the shit that comes with that. I think there will be a financial cost to be paid for that but that shouldn't surprise anyone. Labour & Liberal Democrats are pretty open about that whereas the Tories are saying things like "Brexit means Brexit" and that they'd be prepared to walk away from a bad deal. So I think that the Tories would be least likely to pay something for a good deal but that's just my opinion. We'll see in 2 years!
Yes - we will see and I will avoid going into great detail on this thread, but in summary please think through this explanation:

If you are the EU and your preferences on Brexit are some or all of:

1. that you do not want the UK to leave at all, or if they are leaving
2. that you want it to take as long as possible and in the intervening time also that they pay their full dues and also pay a large exit bill at the end
3. that you are able to dictate the size of the large (largest) exit bill - entirely on your terms and therefore ensure that you (the EU) have no financial/economic exposure
4. that you are also able to place 'conditions' on the departing UK future, e.g. UK's adherence to the CCCTB, Oversight of ECJ etc.
5. that you most certainly must 'buy sufficient time', to plan for the enactment of mitigation actions for the consequences of the UK leaving - e.g. the EU's dependency on the City of London
6. etc.......

Given all those points are important - but that especially No. 5 is very pertinent at the moment and also remembering No 1 - that the EU do not want the UK to leave - then which approach is likely to play into the hands of the EU and hamstring the UK's negotiating team? Also, which one is likely to cause the EU to have to face up to levels of compromise - like an acceptable TA - that they would otherwise wish to have only put in place 100% on their terms

A) The one where the UK say that no matter what - we will not leave the EU without agreement on a deal, or

B) The one where the UK say that if the demands are clearly unfair and the negotiations are not being conducted in fair and mutually open manner that the UK would have to consider walking away?

Which of those two approaches is more likely to focus the EU's minds? Not aimed at you, but as a clue to others who have been dogmatically in denial, one of these approaches bends over and invites the EU to do whatever they want for as long as they want and the other would cause a great deal of concern and consternation to the EU and each of its individual 27 nations

Further discussion though is better undertaken on the A50 thread
 
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I was pleased to see that result too. The impression I got when I joined was you had all gone right wing. Then I realised its a small group of posters that get involved often and the majority are right wing.

A perfect analogy of perhaps why their views prevail nationally. They shout louder and more often, although I have to admit I can and do shout with the best of them.
Yes but sometimes we have no idea what you're shouting or why.
 
Done my part.

Only had pencils so made sure I dug in. Why do they use pencils anyway?

In any case if someone wanted to rig it they'd switch boxes they wouldn't be able to influence it by erasing votes and changing them in one night without arising suspicion at the counting place. Would take ages doing that/require too many people.
 
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