That's the best reason for voting Tory there is. I'm told it's the main reason May called the election - The bigger the majority the more she can ignore "The Bastards" as they were once called by John Major.And my fear is that the Tories will pander to the UKIP tendency in their party & the electorate instead of being pragmatic.
That's the best reason for voting Tory there is. I'm told it's the main reason May called the election - The bigger the majority the more she can ignore "The Bastards" as they were once called by John Major.
Exactly this. 100%.
This isn't a poker game, it's two economies working together to ensure they both come out of this mutually beneficially.
The UK population is economically illiterate. I was until 5 years or so back when I asked @SWP's back and some others to start me off on a reading list. Even now I've only graduated from illiterate to uneducated.
Do you know why we give out foreign aid? It's because we want poor countries to become rich liberal democracies. To do tgis they need infrastructure, citizens who can go to schools rather than starve and many other things of this nature
We don't fund them to be kind. We fund them because once they get their shit together, we now have another customer for our goods and services and more resources keeping the price of goods down. We give them money to make ourselves rich.
The idea that the EU want the UK to fail here and we need some tough, strict negotiator to make sure they don't put one over on us is literal bollocks. The EU want us to stay rich so we will buy their goods and services. The Brexit negotiation will be handled by patient diplomats - neither May nor Corbyn will be anywhere near it
As I asked a previous poster who made a similar point ( but failed to reply) which of Labour's figures specifically ( as opposed to your general comment) don't add up.I fully expect the Tories to increase their majority tonight. Corbyn may well have tried to play his cards with the big giveaway but the fact is that his figures don't add up & quite frankly the country would be broke again in no time at all if Labour got back into power.
It's less like negotiating a new position and more like negotiating a severance agreement in my opinion. Add to the mix that you owe your boss money and, just to further complicate matters, you're starting your own company and would really like to deal with him and his customers yourself in the future. Whoever conducts the negotiations on our behalf has to realise that there's two sides involved and, if we're to move forward relatively harmoniously, then both sides need to feel they've got something out of it. Lots of people just seem to think it's an opportunity to get one over Johnny Foreigner when there's still so many positives in us having a good relationship with the EU.
You're missing the crucial fact that we're not really in a negotiation.
The Country has voted to leave.
Cards are on the table, we're all in.
EU knows this and so rightly can sit with their feet on the table and reject everything. We need to persuade them to allow us to leave in a manner which suits them. We can't waltz in and make huge demands. It's not going to happen. May is convincing people that her position will get the best deal for Britain. But what people are forgetting is positive relationships can sometimes get a better deal.
If someone tries to shaft you then you might think, well fuck you pal, you're paying full price/getting fuck all. Someone that sits down with a mentality to work out a deal that suits both parties may get much further. We need to retain a relationship with the EU. We're not leaving the wife and saying, I'm taking all my cash see you later PS I still get to see the kids when and where I want. The wife holds all the cards.
She says, you can leave but I'll tell you how...and when...and how much it will cost you. As a country we don't have a fall back position at the moment of staying in the EU if there is no deal or any substance on the table.
Brexit is either a) going to take a fucking age to ever happen or b) never happen at all.
Exactly this. 100%.
This isn't a poker game, it's two economies working together to ensure they both come out of this mutually beneficially.
The UK population is economically illiterate. I was until 5 years or so back when I asked @SWP's back and some others to start me off on a reading list. Even now I've only graduated from illiterate to uneducated.
Do you know why we give out foreign aid? It's because we want poor countries to become rich liberal democracies. To do tgis they need infrastructure, citizens who can go to schools rather than starve and many other things of this nature
We don't fund them to be kind. We fund them because once they get their shit together, we now have another customer for our goods and services and more resources keeping the price of goods down. We give them money to make ourselves rich.
The idea that the EU want the UK to fail here and we need some tough, strict negotiator to make sure they don't put one over on us is literal bollocks. The EU want us to stay rich so we will buy their goods and services. The Brexit negotiation will be handled by patient diplomats - neither May nor Corbyn will be anywhere near it
I admire your optimism mate but you are a dreamer.The idea that the EU want the UK to fail here and we need some tough, strict negotiator to make sure they don't put one over on us is literal bollocks. The EU want us to stay rich so we will buy their goods and services. The Brexit negotiation will be handled by patient diplomats - neither May nor Corbyn will be anywhere near it
Sorry, I might not be following here.
You're saying people should vote Tories because some Tories are twats?
Wouldn't a better option be to not vote for them?
Why not see what the IFS said?As I asked a previous poster who made a similar point ( but failed to reply) which of Labour's figures specifically ( as opposed to your general comment) don't add up.
Their manifesto ( unlike the Tory's) was fully costed.