General Election June 8th

[Chippy_boy]

Why would he "hoodwink" anyone? You would have to give us an example of such behaviour.

I'll wait...

How about lying about his preparedness to press the nuclear button. Or his desire to nationalise the banks. Or his support for the IRA. Just off the top of my head like.

 

[Damocles]

Wasting your time mate. Damo has had the tattoo done

Well it was that or go the other way and do the salute, and I'm a fan of Jews generally.

 

[Machiavelli]

"now"?

I'm new to the thread, I popped in to see if anyone had anything different to say which will help me decide which way to vote this time around.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Yes, he is.

I find the treason accusation thrown about a lot these days, and always by the right. The right seems to think they have the monopoly on patriotism and love of country.

reminds me of something I once heard---

patriotism is the last refuge of cowards; those without moral principles usually wrap a flag around themselves

 

[Damocles]

Because his beliefs are far more left wing than his manifesto. As paxo demonstrated.

He's the leader of a political party. A manifesto is a collection of policies compromising the collective views of that party. There's very often people whose views are more left or more right wing than the document. That's how negotiations work.

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

reminds me of something I once heard---

patriotism is the last refuge of cowards; those without moral principles usually wrap a flag around themselves

It's a quote about false patriotism, and just because someone very very old and crusty said it doesn't make it true.

 

[CitizenTID]

He is an Ira fun boy of that there is no doubt. Everyone knows it but some prefer to deflect because morally it puts them in a bad place.

His points about opening dialogue to bring about peace is a quality we should applaud - it's the intelligent solution where it's applicable (i.e. to the IRA not ISIS). That does require a certain amount of "cosying up" and putting atrocities aside to bring them down from the level of bitterness to want to make compromises. If we'd taken the response of not giving them an inch and doing all to defeat them it would have made things so so much worse in the short and long term.

Pax ripped May apart as well, he could probably give Putin sweaty palms but the point on prodding him for the manifesto not being the Corbyn Manifesto rather than the Labour one was just amateur political understanding/democratic values from a political expert - as Corbyn told him, it's a democratic solution, there's no point of trying to make everyone agree on every point with you because it's impossible. You have to work with views of all political groups - prime example is Northern Ireland. Can't just have border poll until the communities have integrated and feel more like one people otherwise it'd kick off and everyones in a worse situation. Northern Ireland is a tricky one as I can see very valid arguments on either side but to be honest, the Rep. has already been long established, since that point it's moving in one direction of fate and is (obviously) past the point of consideration of us as one political nation since the elites (inc. Irish elite, not just the British/English as commonly ignorantly labelled) of the past treated Ireland so poorly - one reason (part of many) for that I feel was the London centricity of power that still causes issues (but is heavily accentuated when it's on a different island). Bearing that in mind, I can understand why a British politician like Corbyn would take a certain stance, but you can take that stance without wishing a failure of British forces who are just people who have to follow orders - if Corbyn ever went so far, that is a major question over trustworthiness (I know Abbott doesn't have any).

 

[worsleyweb]

He's the leader of a political party. A manifesto is a collection of policies compromising the collective views of that party. There's very often people whose views are more left or more right wing than the document. That's how negotiations work.

Yes I heard him say that - twice. Doesn't mean his inner believes are not far more extremist. Thanks for explaining to me how it works again though.

 

[The perfect fumble]

just because someone very very old and crusty said it doesn't make it true.

There you go! Knocking Corbyn again! :-)

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

There you go! Knocking Corbyn again! :-)

Hahahaha fair play mate :)

 

[Chippy_boy]

He's the leader of a political party. A manifesto is a collection of policies compromising the collective views of that party. There's very often people whose views are more left or more right wing than the document. That's how negotiations work.

Do you think it's possible he has simply chosen to keep quiet out of political expediency?

I'd like to think your mind is not so utterly closed as to rule this out.

What i find interesting is that us Tories seem prepared to call our leader a fucking idiot. But you Labour supporters on here seem incapable of criticizing your fucking idiot.

 

[ballinio]

I've found that a lot of Labour voters vote for them because their dad did & their dad did. Some actually believe that they are still the champions of the working class.

 

[CitizenTID]

He's the leader of a political party. A manifesto is a collection of policies compromising the collective views of that party. There's very often people whose views are more left or more right wing than the document. That's how negotiations work.

Exactly. Corbyn clearly listens to others which is a value we should not just want in our politicians but expect. He eventually gave a good answer to the audience member when he made the point that ears can be just as important as mouth in being a leader. As he evidences, he understands there's no point trying to force his views on everyone - love him or hate him, nobody should be failing to understand this. Paxman was just amateurishly wrong on that front.

 

[Damocles]

Treason,
Is it 1605 ffs

Well we have a socialist Labour leader, people whinging about the threat of nuclear attack, a debate about the monarchy and the IRA so I'm pretty sure we're in an alternative Universe 1980s.

Thought the music's fucking shit mate.

 

[Bigga]

He's a politician?

Why do we bother with any at all? Bring back the Queen as decision maker...

Because his beliefs are far more left wing than his manifesto. As paxo demonstrated.

Do I need to refer back to my original reply to you?

"Leadership"??

How about lying about his preparedness to press the nuclear button. Or his desire to nationalise the banks. Or his support for the IRA. Just off the top of my head like.

If you notice, at no point has he ever said he'd 'push the button', as far as I know. If he has, it would be an entirely last resort, not a first option.

Fair enough, I say.

He'll address nationalisation of banks after other things are nationalised first. Why nationalise everything at once.

Good strategy.

He's not an IRAQI sympathiser. Being against all war and not singling out one, doesn't make you a sympathiser, but it WOULD make you a hypocrite.

He avoided losing his integrity on this.

You can't knock that.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Exactly. Corbyn clearly listens to others which is a value we should not just want in our politicians but expect. He eventually gave a good answer to the audience member when he made the point that ears can be just as important as mouth in being a leader. As he evidences, he understands there's no point trying to force his views on everyone - love him or hate him, nobody should be failing to understand this. Paxman was just amateurishly wrong on that front.

Go on, say something bad about him. I dare you.

 

[Machiavelli]

Well we have a socialist Labour leader, people whinging about the threat of nuclear attack, a debate about the monarchy and the IRA so I'm pretty sure we're in an alternative Universe 1980s.

Thought the music's fucking shit mate.

;-)

 

[Dr.Faustus]

I've found that a lot of Labour voters vote for them because their dad did & their dad did. Some actually believe that they are still the champions of the working class.

That is an issue with voters across the politial spectrum (there are many that vote Conservative for the same reason) and is largely geographic.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Why do we bother with any at all? Bring back the Queen as decision maker...



Do I need to refer back to my original reply to you?

"Leadership"??



If you notice, at no point has he ever said he'd 'push the button', as far as I know. If he has, it would be an entirely last resort, not a first option.

Fair enough, I say.

He'll address nationalisation of banks after other things are nationalised first. Why nationalise everything at once.

Good strategy.

He's not an IRAQI sympathiser. Being against all war and not singling out one, doesn't make you a sympathiser, but it WOULD make you a hypocrite.

He avoided losing his integrity on this.

You can't knock that.

<Holds head in hands.>

Just be honest for God's sake. Say something bad about him, you won't look less of a man.

 

[Bigga]

<Holds head in hands.>

Just be honest for God's sake. Say something bad about him, you won't look less of a man.

He has a shit suit.