General Election June 8th

Who will you vote for at the General Election?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 189 28.8%
  • Labour

    Votes: 366 55.8%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 37 5.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 8 1.2%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 23 3.5%
  • Other

    Votes: 33 5.0%

  • Total voters
    656
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FWIW I was and remain, a remainer. I didn't want any Brexit eggs, hard, soft, poached or fried. But that said, I thought throughout the referendum debate that THE biggest thing on the mind of most people voting for Brexit was immigration, and I still think that's true. There would be a riot I think if any party said they were to abandon any ideas of immigration control.
Well, i can understand the debate including immigration but it may not have been the be all and end all issue. It is entirely possible that majority voted Brexit because of the £350m a week for NHS. So one could associate NHS with the Brexit issue but that would not make it a truth because it wasn't on the ballot paper. Politicians and their followers pick and choose reasons to associate with Brexit to suit their agenda.

You think there would be a riot if any party said they were going to abandon any ideas of immigration, what if a party didn't say it but did it anyway after being voted in power? What if a party said that it would control immigration and never did it anyway for whatever reason (example last 7 years and a potential transitional phase of another 3 years where immigration may not be controlled?

In such a situation, labours Brexit proposal seems pretty attractive for business and for ordinary people.
 
Good question. Firstly can you reveal your source for 7% above the EU average?

Your link below - it's at the bottom. Although forgive me I had remembered in wrongly and was thinking Jez was planning on 27%, not 26%
Although it is interesting you used the term average knowing that most are in countries that are termed less developed and not in the picture.
Lets look at equivalents and you can stop running the country down. Germany 29.29%, France 33% and Italy 24%. https://home.kpmg.com/xx/en/home/se...x-rates-online/corporate-tax-rates-table.html
I have picked those 3 as we are all in the top 10 economies. Now, moving up to 26% is not that bad is it?

It's still very bad compared to say Hungary at 9% or Ireland at 12.5%. There's little drive for a German company in Germany to relocate to Hungary, since both Germany and Hungary are in the EU, and exporting freely around the EU is just as easy from either country. So the only incentive would be the lower corporation tax rates, and on balance most consider it's not worth it. But we are not in that position. European businesses presently in the UK, will be considering very carefully whether they want to move somewhere else in the EU and putting up corporation tax rates at this really precarious juncture is absolutely the wrong policy.

Seems more line with what our similar competitors are charging. In fact the top two are higher, so all those companies will not be jumping that quick.
I realise that the tories want to see us as an offshore tax dodge but that will not help us, the people living here.

OF COURSE IT WOULD. A lower tax base makes businesses want to come here. It means they can pay people more and retain the same levels of profit. It means they can employ more people. Low taxes is good. High taxes is like driving with the break on. If we want our businesses to struggle, the very best thing to do is to raise the tax burden. If we want them to thrive, reduce taxes.

The brexit negotiations will be difficult but trotting about saying if we dont get our way its no deal and the equally moronic bad deal are setting us up for a fail. To get a good deal, both sides have to walk away with something. There will have to be give and take and compromise.

Totally agree with you. May has handled this all wrong. She's from the outset made this all about confrontation when it should have been all about building bridges. She should be talking about getting the best deal for the EU *and* for the UK and talking about how she fully expects everyone on both sides to work together for what's in all our best interests. But no, she's just talked about a fight and made it sound like we are going to have a battle. It's completely the wrong tone and wrong approach. Threatening them from the outset with stupid shit about withdrawing cooperation on counter-terrorism. What on earth was the daft woman thinking of???!

Now, here is a thought, one of the gives we can deal with is corporation tax and the fact we know the EU are not happy with the threat of 17%. We can use that as a barter for other things that will benefit the country. We are happy we have the extra tax money, the EU will not see us as an offshore tax haven and the companies might as well stay as they would have to pay more if they went to France or Germany anyway.

Well they might. Or they might go to Bosnia (10%). Or they might go to Germany because the rates are no higher and Germany is IN the EU.

Now you seem to think that employment costs, the biggest being paying the ungrateful wretches that work in those places, is a problem. Now, when we give those workers a rise and the companies rattle their jewelry and threaten to do one they will go to Germany and France and see just how much those workers earn. We are ten years behind them. Those companies will re-think when they see those end of the months payments in Europe. Of course they are happy paying us when Germany pay a minimum wage of 1,500 Euro. http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/en/web/products-datasets/-/EARN_MW_CUR Thats £1300 a month. Now with strong management and strong unions they have figured that out in Germany.

Have you looked at productivity rates in Germany compared to the UK? It is true our wages are not that high, but our unit costs are still very high because our productivity is so low.
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Just think that extra money now flooding into the UK market from people working with a decent wage and buying gear. Now thats euros but a tenner is a tenner, well £10*37hours per week*4 weeks in a months is £1480 not much more than the German wage. Where do they move when they know the wage is the same there? Is it worth the move when corporate tax and wage is the same?

What extra money? Paying people more does not "invent" money. It takes it out of one pot and puts in a different pot. There's no extra money. Extra money comes from making more stuff, selling more stuff, exporting more stuff. We don't get any of that just by paying people more. In fact, the opposite since our unit costs go up and sales go down. And that's assuming that all the businesses don't bugger off, which in fact they very well might.

I know you are a remainer and that question has already seen the horse bolt. The tories let it bolt when Dave shat himself when Nige shouted at him. However, we are in that basket now and if the EU see us as happy to compromise on such things as the tax it is possible we can see that the financial market could keep moore of its assets here.Clearly it not a given but you have to thank the tories for putting in that basket.

Agreed it's a fuck up that we are in this situation. But I don't know how you can extrapolate that by putting up taxes, MORE asset may stay in the UK rather than less. That is totally counter intuitive, and in fact illogical.

It is indeed uncertain times but acting like a pissed prick at a funeral (not you, this government) and having seen the destructive and divisive ways of this tory government we will do much better with someone who understand listening is as important as talking and certainly better than acting the jerk as Boris, Gove and the rest of the clowns on the good ship UK that May runs and has us on full speed into an iceberg.

The question was about policies, not personalities. Is raising corporation tax right now, the right thing to do? No, it isn't.
 
As an aside, just watched the Khaldoon interview, and once again am reminded what a class act he is. He makes May and Jezzer look like absolute rank amateurs, the pair of them.
 
If the result is anything like that, May's fate will make fox hunting look humane.

I still think she will win - despite being a Labour supporter - but I have said all along the 200 seat landslide suggested on the day of the announcement was a Tory party wank fantasy. I also said - if this type of thing were to be accurate - the "winner" would be the loser - Corbyn. If thats the case then May will be under major internal pressure from her party.

For the conspiracy theorists the question could be were dark forces at play within the Tories? Win but allow May enough rope to expose herself as inadequate and hang herself so that the "right" candidate from the right can take her place..................opinions? Coz its been a fucking appalling performance by her so far.
 
I don't pay tax anymore because I don't earn enough. So, you're saying people like me are part of the problem? Cheers.

Don't be daft.

you should stand for election, it sounds as if you know the answer to everything and can spot a moron at a great distance,
answer me one question please, have you ever run a business?

He says yes and you and your selfish acolytes start assuming it's a toy town business rather than accept that some business people just don't have your selfish genes.

This is the bottom line with this thread. It's my land, it's my money, I've earned it, the state had nowt to do with our being one of world's richest economies, with one of the best and most efficient health services (before people started making money out of it) and the poor can go hang.
 
Don't be daft.



He says yes and you and your selfish acolytes start assuming it's a toy town business rather than accept that some business people just don't have your selfish genes.

This is the bottom line with this thread. It's my land, it's my money, I've earned it, the state had nowt to do with our being one of world's richest economies, with one of the best and most efficient health services (before people started making money out of it) and the poor can go hang.

funny that vic, however I have been homeless though many years ago and only 13 months ago was a refugee, so I know nowt don't I
 
Don't be daft.



He says yes and you and your selfish acolytes start assuming it's a toy town business rather than accept that some business people just don't have your selfish genes.

This is the bottom line with this thread. It's my land, it's my money, I've earned it, the state had nowt to do with our being one of world's richest economies, with one of the best and most efficient health services (before people started making money out of it) and the poor can go hang.
What were you saying about being daft eh Steve?

As for the name calling of people being selfish. You currently think them giving up half of their pay is selfish and resulting in the poor hanging do you? How much do you give away?
 
What were you saying about being daft eh Steve?

As for the name calling of people being selfish. You currently think them giving up half of their pay is selfish and resulting in the poor hanging do you? How much do you give away?

I see what you did there. Conflated two comments. "Daft" was to someone trying to make a daft point.

Still, I'm still trying to get over why anyone who's been a refugee would want to give any comfort to the Tory party. My sincere apologies to any generous Tories out there who use what they save in tax cuts to make charitable donations.

I wouldn't want to get into "I'm considerably more generous than yow" but when people are praising a Tory MP for pointing out that food bank users are not really poor but have just had delays in benefit or been sanctioned I'm afraid my capacity to think the best of people is wearing thin.
 
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I still think she will win - despite being a Labour supporter - but I have said all along the 200 seat landslide suggested on the day of the announcement was a Tory party wank fantasy. I also said - if this type of thing were to be accurate - the "winner" would be the loser - Corbyn. If thats the case then May will be under major internal pressure from her party.

For the conspiracy theorists the question could be were dark forces at play within the Tories? Win but allow May enough rope to expose herself as inadequate and hang herself so that the "right" candidate from the right can take her place..................opinions? Coz its been a fucking appalling performance by her so far.

The problem they have had is their manifesto has been utterly dull and uninspiring and we have not heard enough from the other people in the party. Where has Boris Johnson, Hammond and all the others been in this election?? I like May, she came across quite well in the interview/debate this week but how do you sell a turd to people?

People can relate easy with the Labour manifesto because there is a lot in it that would be fantastic and Corbyn's consistent message is easy to digest. People can decide then whether to agree with him and on May I don't know what she will do for me and I am bored of Brexit. Obviously there are major issues over Corbyn's credibility but ultimately the Tories have not attacked it with counter ideas that people can vote for. They have tried to discredit and essentially assume people don't trust him which has turned to be quite a dangerous and arrogant move. The policies for pensioners have also been disastrous and pensioners always vote Tory so their whole campaign smacks of real stupidity to be honest.

On the whole polls are always wrong and the majority of people are not interested in an election until right up to the point where they come to vote. 90% don't follow politics and probably 50% don't even watch the news so that big 'silent' majority will remain silent until polling day. I don't think Corbyn will win but I do think that massive Tory majority will become slim simply because of their mismanagement over the whole thing. Making it about May has not worked and it is because they have nothing positive to market her around, instead she has just been attacked for slogans and a constant swivel to Brexit which most normal people are just really bored and tired of.
 
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