General Election June 8th

[The perfect fumble]

They could have not said anything.

You think a pro-Brexit undecided is suddenly going to vote for Corbyn on the basis that Brussels will give us more time with him in charge?

It seems awfully like Brussels is trying to engineer a Labour government no?

As I've stated, the EU is not going to force a new government to a timetable agreed with an outgoing government, this is the sort of thing grown ups do in mature democracies. Had they not intervened on the timetable agreed with May, which she was happy to brandish in her increasing desperation, it would have stood as if it were set in stone. It was not the EU who raised the issue of the timetable, it was May. The EU is perfectly within its rights, now they've been dragged in to this election, to draw to the attention of the British people that in a negotiation it is not just one party that dictates the timeline for that negotiation, it is both parties, something May conveniently forgot to mention.

Come on, you're brighter than this.

 

[SWP's back]

Tone could be as important as content tonight. It will be hugely tempting for all of the other participants to gang up and give Rudd and May a kicking. Which could be seriously counter productive.

The dynamnic between Corbyn and Sturgeon will be fascinating. In 2015 she tore into Miliband on the basis of his support for "Tory cuts" and unwillingness to discuss a coalition. Clearly she can't argue that Corbyn will be Tory lite, so what tack will she take? She must want Corbyn to win in England, but she's got all of those seats in Scotland to defend. I expect that Corbyn will do very well. Its the sort of low level, sixth form debate which plays to his strengths. His biggest risk is probably that it turns into a Corbyn / Sturgeon love in and it scares middle England voters to death.

What time does it start bud? You make some great points by the way.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Post the election yes but not in the throes of campaigning when you have originally stated a start date of the 19th June. It's blatant electioneering on behalf of the EU and precisely why we have a period of purdah during general elections.

Read my replies and repent.

 

[SWP's back]

As for Cameron you say he made a " goof" calling the Brexit referendum. A "goof"?? - is that what you call plunging this country into an existential,crisis

You hold the electorate in such dreadful contempt don't you.

 

[mackenzie]

So what sort of job would make you weep? I can't think of anything worse than being underground in the pitch black for 10 hours a day getting covered and breathing in crap. These must be 'really' bad jobs.?

Yeah. None.
And, as I said, look at the jobs available today. I wasn't making it up you know, they are shite.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

All inheritence or care tax is just plain wrong end of. You pay tax all your life, well most do, unless you are super rich. So any savings you have had or property has had tax already deducted. Why on earth should you pay again. When others spend everything they have end up with nowt and the state then pays for their care. A fair society should be just that fair to all.

So, I've been left a £5m house that's been in the family for 3 generations. I'll sell it, put the money offshore

So you happily accept any arbitrary figure the government suggests?

What would be your cut off point?

Somewhat controversially, I probably would not have IHT at all, if it was left to me! I would, however, have some sort of wealth/property tax which is rebased every year. I'm not an ideologue but I do find it somewhat distasteful that the wealthiest 25 people in this country are worth £215 billion, with the top 10 alone worth £122 billion. You might call it envy but it just seems wrong.

 

[Blue Mooner]

As I've stated, the EU is not going to force a new government to a timetable agreed with an outgoing government, this is the sort of thing grown ups do in mature democracies. Had they not intervened on the timetable agreed with May, which she was happy to brandish in her increasing desperation, it would have stood as if it were set in stone. It was not the EU who raised the issue of the timetable, it was May. The EU is perfectly within its rights to state, now they've been dragged in to this election, to draw to the attention of the British people that in a negotiation it is not just one party that dictates the timescale for that negotiation, it is both parties, something May conveniently forgot to mention.

Come on, you're brighter than this.

Read my replies and repent.

It was the EU that set the timetable as the 19th June. With a limited timeframe on both sides Maybhas taken that as the date for negotiations to begin. She quite right pointed out that Labour and Corbyn are completely unprepared for that date. The EU have now sought to contradict that position despite the fact that this was the date they had put forward... if you think that's grown up behaviour rather than political meddling then we simply won't agree.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

So, I've been left a £5m house that's been in the family for 3 generations. I'll sell it, put the money offshore

Somewhat controversially, I probably would not have IHT at all, if it was left to me! I would, however, have some sort of wealth/property tax which is rebased every year. I'm not an ideologue but I do find it somewhat distasteful that the wealthiest 25 people in this country are worth £215 billion, with the top 10 alone worth £122 billion. You might call it envy but it just seems wrong.

Yep its your house, when it came into your family you paid the appropriate tax on it then via income tax earnings etc be it 100 years go or whatever. Otherwise you are effectively retrospectively taxing people. Sure one or two will no doubt get away with paying nothing years ago but that tiny injustice pales into into significance compared to taxing millions of people twice!!! Im sure you agree!?

 

[Damocles]

Mod note: This thread has just been moderated again and some warnings/temp thread bans handed out.

We're all adults here and hopefully everybody knows where the line between going in hard on someone and outright abuse is. Lots of stuff fell into that second camp and was removed.

Lastly, please remember that everybody in this thread wants what is best for the country and have alternative opinions about what that is. There's no ISIS in here. Many of these opinions might seem poorly thought out to you and that's great - attack the opinion. But any further attacks on the posters are going to have to be dealt with a bit sharper or we risk losing the whole thread.

As you were.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

lol brilliant

 

[SWP's back]

So, I've been left a £5m house that's been in the family for 3 generations. I'll sell it, put the money offshore

If that's true then pm me and I'll hook you up.

Somewhat controversially, I probably would not have IHT at all, if it was left to me! I would, however, have some sort of wealth/property tax which is rebased every year. I'm not an ideologue but I do find it somewhat distasteful that the wealthiest 25 people in this country are worth £215 billion, with the top 10 alone worth £122 billion. You might call it envy but it just seems wrong.

Then we agree. IHT was originally intended to affect the top 1%. It now affects 30x that amount of people.

As for the cut off figure (for me), it's difficult, does anyone need to be left £1bn? Probably not. £100m? Again, I doubt it, but £1m may sound like a low figure to one person (with a London house) but an unimaginable amount to another.

There's no doubt in my mind though that it's not a good tax and that it doesn't serve the purpose it was intended to. Give all your money to your kids at 70 and die at 78 and not a penny is paid. Give it at 70 and get dementia at 74 and it'll all be pissed away if it's in property (under rules as of today).

The system isn't great.

 

[HelloCity]

Some great comments on those with disabilities.

The Tories have been an absolute DISGRACE in this regard.

Shameful.

 

[Hamann Pineapple]

JC doesn't need to say much here

 

[urban genie]

Farron is looking more SDP that little orange book with his more left answers, like when he firat became leader, jezza and lucas keeping behaved and angus his usual good self, rudd usual tory lines as expected, nuttall not spoke yet and leanne is obviously campaigning mainly against labour in wales so few digs at lab and cons from her

 

[SWP's back]

It's so easy for Labour "let's just put up tax on corporations and the rich, let someone else pay for it" *cheers*

 

[The perfect fumble]

It was the EU that set the timetable as the 19th June. With a limited timeframe on both sides Maybhas taken that as the date for negotiations to begin. She quite right pointed out that Labour and Corbyn are completely unprepared for that date. The EU have now sought to contradict that position despite the fact that this was the date they had put forward... if you think that's grown up behaviour rather than political meddling then we simply won't agree.

Weak sauce! The EU set the timetable and the UK just took it on the chin and now they're meddling in our affairs! What kind of world do you live in? When that timetable was agreed there was no general election, had she informed the EU of her intention to call the election, do you think such a timetable would have been agreed? Of course not. Well now she's called it and pointed at the timetable as if Moses brought it down from the mountain, but he didn't

Desperate stuff from you mate.

 

[Danamy]

I bet Theresa wishes she went now, Amber is having a stinker

 

[urban genie]

how many times can rudd say money tree??

 

[Machiavelli]

I bet Theresa wishes she went now, Amber is having a stinker

Rudderless.

 

[The perfect fumble]

It's so easy for Labour "let's just put up tax on corporations and the rich, let someone else pay for it" *cheers*

Sounds good to me, they've been creaming too much profit off the top, not re-investing and not returning a fair share of the valued added to the work force.

I'm all for it.