General Election June 8th

Who will you vote for at the General Election?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 189 28.8%

  • Labour

    Votes: 366 55.8%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 37 5.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 8 1.2%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 23 3.5%

  • Other

    Votes: 33 5.0%
  • Total voters
    656
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KenTheLandlord said:
Are you now saying they are in power because they have the majority of the vote? Ah yes, because the tories pull over 50% of the vote.
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Don't be silly. Unless you want to resurrect the tired old PR debate, which we've done to death, Labour's figure is even less.
The country votes by constituency, not per head of population, The Conservatives, the Labour party and the general
populace all want to keep this system, the only ones who don't are the LibDems, Greens and UKIP, for obvious reasons.
 
BJL_City said:
no she wasn't, not even close. Your conclusion is just not close to rational, real or based on any of the evidence provided on the programme.
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You're talking to Ken. What were you expecting? Corbyn destroys her during PMQs every week if you believe Ken.
 
KenTheLandlord said:
Good synopsis, now watch the one on BBC1 where she was flattened.
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That's utter nonsense and proves why many on the left do not possess any empathy whatsoever for opposing views.
An unbiased observer would put it around 50/50, personally, I'd say Corbyn edged it 51/49, but then I'm not partisan to
the point of blindness.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
That's utter nonsense and proves why many on the left do not possess any empathy whatsoever for opposing views.
An unbiased observer would put it around 50/50, personally, I'd say Corbyn edged it 51/49, but then I'm not partisan to
the point of blindness.
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Ditto. I put May on 5 out of 10 and Corbyn on perhaps 6. I certainly detect a marked difference in the right's acceptance of Tory shortcomings and the left's (wth one or two exceptions) flat denial of any on their side. As I say, due to desperation I guess.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Ditto. I put May on 5 out of 10 and Corbyn on perhaps 6. I certainly detect a marked difference in the right's acceptance of Tory shortcomings and the left's (wth one or two exceptions) flat denial of any on their side. As I say, due to desperation I guess.
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Tory shortcomings are many and varied, I know this and think May has dropped some proper clangers, but to
listen to some on the left here is to confirm that Corbyn's followers are cult-like in their adoration and will never
countenance any criticism, no matter how transparent the case against him with certain issues.
 
Maybot would press the button as androids don't have empathy patches.
Ancient Citizen said:
Tory shortcomings are many and varied, I know this and think May has dropped some proper clangers, but to
listen to some on the left here is to confirm that Corbyn's followers are cult-like in their adoration and will never
countenance any criticism, no matter how transparent the case against him with certain issues.
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you could argue some Tories are doing the same with May. If you can watch BoJos response after the debate to BBC News 24.
 
mat said:
you could argue some Tories are doing the same with May. If you can watch BoJos response after the debate to BBC News 24.
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As he's in her cabinet, he really has to though. I wouldn't expect Abbot to slate Corbyn a week before the vote either.
 
mat said:
Maybot would press the button as androids don't have empathy patches.

you could argue some Tories are doing the same with May. If you can watch BoJos response after the debate to BBC News 24.
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Well obviously, a senior member of her cabinet is not likely to call her a silly cow.
Dearie me, it's like pulling teeth.
 
BJL_City said:
Corbyn really started to flag/tire around the nuclear deterrent, he started tripping over his sentences and all he had to say was "I won't use it first use, but if we are under imminent direct attack I would follow all the required procedures to ensure we use it effectively". This is where he let his personal views override the consensus he's been talking about all campaign and it undermines him because you have to be consistent. Even if he doesn't believe in it, he's said his manifesto is consensus and it's being renewed to be used, so on that basis all he had to say was yes he would use it as a last resort to protect us, and he'd be sticking to his mantra of consensus and would very likely never have to use it anyway.

He's badly tripped himself up, and May was consistently strong last night. She may actually have pulled this off at the end.
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May was not consistently strong, she was robotic and didn't really say anything of note. Her answers on social care, dementia tax, the NHS and the lack of figures in her manifesto were pretty poor . Corbyn came across as honest however nuclear war is never going to be his strong suit as everyone knows that he has had to compromise with his party over Trident. I suppose whether you think Corbyn or May won depends on whether you think the NHS is more important than an outdated nuclear deterrent.
 
As an aside. the only good policy that UKIP have is to abolish Corporation tax and replace it with a Turnover tax. It makes it totally unfeasible to buy 'Special' coffee from Luxembourg with the added 'non-existant' ingredient that means Starbucks pays so little tax in the UK. It also means that City sharks loading companies up with debt becomes a less attractive option.
That said, Corporation tax does work for small businesses as it is only paid on profits so it should be renamed business tax and only apply to companies whose turnover is below an appropriate level.
But no party with a chance of winning this election is proposing this.
Just thought I'd say it does resolve an issue continually brought up in this debate and would cost a he'll of a lot less to administer for HMRC.
 
While we're on the subject of crap policies. means testing the winter fuel allowance will probably cost nearly as much as it saves. The aim of not giving money to those who don't need it can simply be met by changing it from an allowance to a payment and making it taxable income.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
So if Spain, Italy, Germany and other countries can shelter under a super-power's nuclear umbrella then why can't we?
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Because one or more European members of NATO has to have Nukes to make sure the USA sticks to their treaty obligations and I wouldn't trust the French as far as I can throw them on that score.
 
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