General Election June 8th

Who will you vote for at the General Election?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 189 28.8%
  • Labour

    Votes: 366 55.8%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 37 5.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 8 1.2%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 23 3.5%
  • Other

    Votes: 33 5.0%

  • Total voters
    656
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What an unmitigated load of bollocks. Only a very strange and rather sad individual would actually believe those views. "A vision where the great unwashed must forever live in vain hope". "A place where the masses are viewed as nothing more than unthinking cattle."

I don't honestly think you believe a word of what you wrote. You cannot possibly.

Oh, I do, those who have the box set can confirm I've been saying this since the pilot episode.....


On the other hand, I can't keep up with the plot holes with these buggers, and the acting is dreadful, they keep forgetting their lines!
 
I was in the forces for 22 years and an advocate of Trident. However, since the cold war ended I have become less so. Who are we deterring with this weapon? How many other countries feel the need to have such a weapon? It has nothing to do with hiding under the coat tails of others. Please tell me who we are deterring? Certainly not Russia any more. Anyone really think they have expansionist policies towards Europe?
 
I was in the forces for 22 years and an advocate of Trident. However, since the cold war ended I have become less so. Who are we deterring with this weapon? How many other countries feel the need to have such a weapon? It has nothing to do with hiding under the coat tails of others. Please tell me who we are deterring? Certainly not Russia any more. Anyone really think they have expansionist policies towards Europe?

Not me, but even if they did, does anyone seriously think that in a face off with Russia, Trump would sacrifice Chicago and Boston to save Berlin and Hamburg?
 
Not me, but even if they did, does anyone seriously think that in a face off with Russia, Trump would sacrifice Chicago and Boston to save Berlin and Hamburg?
It will never happen and both sides of the debate know it. By focusing on something as trivial as "would you press the button", they allowed Corbyn to ride the criticisms because every man and his dog knows his pacifist views prior to any debate.
 
It will never happen and both sides of the debate know it. By focusing on something as trivial as "would you press the button", they allowed Corbyn to ride the criticisms because every man and his dog knows his pacifist views prior to any debate.

Yep. They'd have been better off pressurising him on terrorism which is a direct threat to the country rather than this hypothetical nonsense. He's already said he is continuing with trident, he's already said he would only use military action as an absolute last resort and we all know, thankfully, that he's a man who will do everything in his power to bring peace through dialogue.
 
It's exactly like a household budget. I make investments in my house which I am hoping give me a return, but other sorts of spending, like netflix (The comparison that the Guardian journalist used, not me) or eating out are for personal enjoyment that might enrich my life, but somewhere down the line might indirectly return to me if the company I work for secures a contract with that business but essentially that money has gone and I have no control over it. In my case i work in sales so the link might be even more direct I might sell to the business I have consumed from.

Governments face exactly the same spending choices. Some are infrastructure investments that provide a return, some like spending on consultants, spending on benefits, public sector salaries, extra police wages might flow back but some of it might be spent abroad, transferred home in the case of temporary migrants and disappear out of the country.

The fact is there is money coming in, and money coming out, too much of the latter over the former and there are massive negative consequences as we have seen in history. Countries can go bankrupt, as can people, it doesn't mean the end of the world but it means your credit rating goes down, borrowing becomes stupidly expensive and your ability to make best use of continued tax receipts is removed. Its selfish behaviour quite frankly putting the burden of your borrowing on following generations.

You really do believe in a magic money tree,..

No it's literally nothing at all like a household budget.

You control the amount of money coming in, you control the supply of money, you control the legislation, you control the issuing of bonds.

This isn't like deciding to get rid of Netflix. If you don't fund the NHS properly you don't save money, you lose it as the welfare bill goes up. If you don't fund the Police then consumer spending slows. If you don't fund education then Labour supply for high value jobs shrinks and wages are forced up which puts people out of business.

It's not a household budget. It doesn't work anything like it. It's the stupidest opinion on the right.

Oh and by the way, if you're just going to sit posting Tory election slogans then don't bother posting because you have literally nothing at all original to say
 
Yep. They'd have been better off pressurising him on terrorism which is a direct threat to the country rather than this hypothetical nonsense. He's already said he is continuing with trident, he's already said he would only use military action as an absolute last resort and we all know, thankfully, that he's a man who will do everything in his power to bring peace through dialogue.

Fighting terrorism is not a point the Tories can be particularly strong either though. They've been in Government for seven years so Labour can just point to the reduction in police numbers for an easy out.
 
I think emotion is starting to get the better of people on this thread. As for last night, it's very simple really. May sounds horrendous when she's talking to the public about pay stagnation, funding in public services, cuts to benefits etc. This is because her manifesto and Tory policies are miserable and offer no hope to people affected by these things. She is, however, the luckiest PM elect there's ever been because usually in these discussions or interviews 50% of the conversation is about Brexit and whether you agree with her stance on that or not she does sound strong and stable.

As for Corbyn, he's the opposite. His manifesto offers hope to millions and through his costings he can back it up even if many people think it's pie in the sky that he can actually achieve those things. Where he falls down is that he's actually too honest for his own good. It would have been very easy for him to say "look, as a very, very last resort I would press the button but I hope for all of our sakes that will never happen". But he's fought all of his life for peace and human rights so he sticks to his principles and despite it being the most hypothetical situation any PM could be asked about he won't lie just to win over an audience.
 
Oh and by the way, if you're just going to sit posting Tory election slogans then don't bother posting because you have literally nothing at all original to say
That's a bit nicer (posting election slogans), than being told your either a disgrace, selfish, or any one of a myriad of other names for daring to go against the left wing majority on here (obviously not by you).
 
Fighting terrorism is not a point the Tories can be particularly strong either though. They've been in Government for seven years so Labour can just point to the reduction in police numbers for an easy out.

I agree but for the Tory members of the audience that were trying to derail him they could have achieved their goal a lot better if they'd concentrated on something that was a realistic possibility.
 
That's a bit nicer (posting election slogans), than being told your either a disgrace, selfish, or any one of a myriad of other names for daring to go against the left wing majority on here (obviously not by you).

Report it. We can't catch every post in these threads and someone thinks someone has crossed into twattish territory then they should report so the mods can do something
 
Ditto. I put May on 5 out of 10 and Corbyn on perhaps 6. I certainly detect a marked difference in the right's acceptance of Tory shortcomings and the left's (wth one or two exceptions) flat denial of any on their side. As I say, due to desperation I guess.

I agree with those scores.

He has looked more assured he should have been more honest on the nuclear point and argued more lucidly why they aren't as relevant anymore. I also think he got an easier run in at the start , than when may got the angry lefties with their point scoring questions , rather than genuine open questions. They keep showing the chap with the beard on the news , why, he was clearly a rabid momentum man.

Anyway may still not appealing (losing appeal) to me.
 
no she wasn't, not even close. Your conclusion is just not close to rational, real or based on any of the evidence provided on the programme.

As i said, you need to watch the BBC1 version

Don't be silly. Unless you want to resurrect the tired old PR debate, which we've done to death, Labour's figure is even less.
The country votes by constituency, not per head of population, The Conservatives, the Labour party and the general
populace all want to keep this system, the only ones who don't are the LibDems, Greens and UKIP, for obvious reasons.

So when every individual vote counted for something as per the referendum, the % of vote went through the roof as they could vote for what they wanted.
Now we are back to people voting for something they dont want to prevent something they really dont want from getting the power. Great idea.

That's utter nonsense and proves why many on the left do not possess any empathy whatsoever for opposing views.
An unbiased observer would put it around 50/50, personally, I'd say Corbyn edged it 51/49, but then I'm not partisan to the point of blindness.

None of which is true.

So long as they continue to get many more than Labour, that'll do nicely thank-you.

twitching eh?

Silly me, I was forgetting he doesn't even realise he's not a landlord.

with a name like chippy boy i doubt you are either.
 
I think emotion is starting to get the better of people on this thread. As for last night, it's very simple really. May sounds horrendous when she's talking to the public about pay stagnation, funding in public services, cuts to benefits etc. This is because her manifesto and Tory policies are miserable and offer no hope to people affected by these things. She is, however, the luckiest PM elect there's ever been because usually in these discussions or interviews 50% of the conversation is about Brexit and whether you agree with her stance on that or not she does sound strong and stable.

As for Corbyn, he's the opposite. His manifesto offers hope to millions and through his costings he can back it up even if many people think it's pie in the sky that he can actually achieve those things. Where he falls down is that he's actually too honest for his own good. It would have been very easy for him to say "look, as a very, very last resort I would press the button but I hope for all of our sakes that will never happen". But he's fought all of his life for peace and human rights so he sticks to his principles and despite it being the most hypothetical situation any PM could be asked about he won't lie just to win over an audience.

he doesn't stick to his principles though, otherwise his manifesto is a complete lie. Either his principle is consensus which means he fucked up last night, or his principles are not in the manifesto which means his manifesto is a lie. Can't have it both ways. He's either parked his views and the ones he's adopting are for the good of the party and country, or his views are more important which means the manifesto isn't worth the paper it's printed on and he can't be trusted in Government to act responsibly.
 
Corbyn isn't interested in winning points through regurgitating rehearsed lines. May hasn't an ounce of personality or empathy and it is harming her campaign.

Any other Labour leader would play the political game and take her to task on that. They would destroy her for it and would have "won" last nights proceedings by a mile.

Corbyn is not bothered about doing that. He wants to talk about policies rather than play political games. Some find that a positive and others feel he is missing an opportunity.

The fact that he was berated for being an IRA sympathiser and anti-war protester shows a weak argument against him. He has agreed to the trident renewal and I am glad he isn't a trigger happy muppet. His general outlook is rather than two men with knives try and stab each other, or two men with knives talk whilst holding them; put the fucking weapons away and have some fucking morality.

He believes that words end wars. You would hope one day the people on this planet will all agree with him.

Maybe he should play the game more because May was there for the taking but if they were getting points last night Corbyn didn't gain as many as he could have. Blair would have cleaned up last night, but the fundamental difference is that Corbyn isn't a fame hungry whore like Tony.
 
I know the Guardian has pinned its colours to the Labour party mast, but i think this piece from this morning's online edition needs highlighting. Fake, manipulated, or "alternative" facts need to be highlighted (from whichever camp you are in) so people have the correct and accurate information on which to form their views.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...f-fake-news-over-video-of-corbyn-ira-comments
 
Because one or more European members of NATO has to have Nukes to make sure the USA sticks to their treaty obligations and I wouldn't trust the French as far as I can throw them on that score.
They really don't. And I can assure you we couldn't use our deterrent independently of the USA. I mean, technically we can as you know but not politically. The only way we would be able to fire independently is if the complete Command & Control Infrastructure was destroyed and it's too late by that time.
 
I know the Guardian has pinned its colours to the Labour party mast, but i think this piece from this morning's online edition needs highlighting. Fake, manipulated, or "alternative" facts need to be highlighted (from whichever camp you are in) so people have the correct and accurate information on which to form their views.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...f-fake-news-over-video-of-corbyn-ira-comments

Guido Fawkes posted an obviously fake quote from Corbyn then deleted it after it had already spread. No morals these people
 
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