General Election June 8th

Who will you vote for at the General Election?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 189 28.8%

  • Labour

    Votes: 366 55.8%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 37 5.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 8 1.2%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 23 3.5%

  • Other

    Votes: 33 5.0%
  • Total voters
    656
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hilts said:
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Never in doubt ;)
 
jonmcity said:
No we should have given people their money back and let the shareholders loose their investments.
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You do realise I was defending the actions of a Labour government?

And how much would have simply returning all depositer's money have cost, once the banks had gone under? How many peoples' pensions would have been wiped out when the big institutional shareholders lost all their money? What would have happened to the economy with half the banking sector no longer there?

What you suggest was really no option at all, as Gordon Brown rightly concluded. Saving the banks was absolutely necessary, even though it came at enormous cost to us all.
 
blueinsa said:
At the start of this process I was a lifelong labour voter who had no time for Corbyn and due to my brexit vote, was going to vote Tory.

On Thursday I will be once again voting labour and proudly doing so because May and this Tory government are going to destroy our society with further austerity and cuts and its time for a new approach, one that a man like Corbyn will bring imo.

He has had a magnificent campaign.
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He has. This is actually the best possible option for Labour. We lose by a small number of seats. Corbyn leaves but the next guy has a decent amount of MPs to work with.
 
We should have set up a government supported bank. Transferred the accounts from these banks to it. Let RBS, Nat west, Lloyds go bust and put their CEO's in prison.
 
jonmcity said:
We should have set up a government supported bank. Transferred the accounts from these banks to it. Let RBS, Nat west, Lloyds go bust and put their CEO's in prison.
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If we'd let our biggest banks go bust, the whole country would have collapsed.

Your ideology seems more motivated by wanting to punish people rather than doing what's best for the country. What would you say to the millions of pensioners who's pension payments stopped overnight when their pension funds went under because they'd lost all their money?
 
Chippy_boy said:
If we'd let our biggest banks go bust, the whole country would have collapsed.

Your ideology seems more motivated by wanting to punish people rather than doing what's best for the country. What would you say to the millions of pensioners who's pension payments stopped overnight when their pension funds went under because they'd lost all their money?
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Don't you think that the greedy traders using false data should be in prison today? All brushed under the carpet. The Pension funds are supposed to have a balanced investment model. For what we paid to the banks, we could have guaranteed all pension funds in any case.
 
Saving the banks was necessary, but so too was greater and more stringent regulation of what they did thenceforward.
Would be surprised if we're not discussing this again further down the line, alas.
 
Gabriel said:
Saving the banks was necessary, but so too was greater and more stringent regulation of what they did thenceforward.
Would be surprised if we're not discussing this again further down the line, alas.
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I'm not close enough to it to know what changes have been made, but you may be right.

But really this is all a side-show. Someone said we'd got our priorities all wrong because we pumped money into the banking sector and yet won't get nurses more than 1% pay rises.

I simply pointed out that the banking crash happened and after it did, there was no option but for Brown to do what he did. It was Brown who introduced the public sector pay caps, by the way. And he's started doing that even before the banking crash... once his money tree was empty.

And having bailed the banks out, we've been pretty much broke ever since. We are slowly starting to get back on track and now Labour want to smash it up again and return to the period of overspending that got us into this mess in the first place. It's remarkable people cannot see through the hollow Labour promises.
 
Chippy_boy said:
How is raising the personal allowance, raising the minimum wage and taking the poorest out of tax, whilst at the same time bringing more people into the higher 40% tax hand "hurting the poor most"?

The better off have had to pay more tax. I know I have. The less well off have had to pay less. Pensioners' income has gone up considerably.

I do hear you and of course there's been benefits changes that have hurt and if you have less money you feel it more, but it's just not true to think that better off people have been favoured.
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reduction in support to the disabled, reduction the social care for the elderly, artificially reducing the money to those out of work by making it not viable to claim in many cases, increase in VAT which disproportionally affects the poor, tax credits not keeping pace with inflation, loss of housing benefits for the 18-25 year olds, the bedroom tax, etc etc etc

the less well off pay marginally less in direct taxes but have lost much more in indirect taxes and loss of benefits
And it is true the better off have been favoured.
I have and its wrong.

those earning even more than me (i suppose I am middle/middle class) have been favoured even more and thats wrong as well
 
Hamann Pineapple said:
Haha, can't imagine she helped
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I know quite a few people, including my parents who would flat out refuse to vote labour because of Diane Abbott. I know that's anecdotal but she is an absolutely appalling human being and getting rid of her is only going to help, just don't know why they waited so long.
 
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