General Election June 8th

Who will you vote for at the General Election?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 189 28.8%

  • Labour

    Votes: 366 55.8%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 37 5.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 8 1.2%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 23 3.5%

  • Other

    Votes: 33 5.0%
  • Total voters
    656
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hilts said:
A lot of casual racism in this thread over ms Abbott. Get well soon your country needs you.
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Gaylord du Bois said:
She's not been replaced he's just got someone to cover for the period of her "illness".
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Well, if Ms Abbott really is ill, I wish her a speedy recovery, after all, we're all humans with compassion for the sick.
I just hope the Doc treating her doesn't prescribe more than 3 sets of tablets, to be taken 4 times a day,
she'd probably be in intensive care by the time she worked that out.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I hear you mate, and I don't seek to defend absolutely everything. I've been very critical of May in particular as you will have seen.

But all the things you cite are government spending reductions. That's what they are. A government spending too much and receiving too little, needs to cut its spending and boost its income. It does that by raising taxes and by making cuts.

It is of course unavoidable that cuts you describe are felt more by people who receive such benefits. But you cannot cut *nothing*, so what would you have them cut? More police cuts? Deeper NHS cuts? Seriously what would you have them cut MORE, in order to maintain the benefits you describe.

On the other side of the coin, taxes have been increased with more and more people paying 40% on part of their incomes. The reduction in the top rate from 50% to 45% may sound unsavoury (it does) but it actually raises MORE tax and therefore helps. Perhaps the Tories should not have cut it simply because doing so looks bad, I accept that. But cutting it did raise more money.
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tax more and enforce it properly



the only reason that reducing more the top rate increases revenue (a very neglible increase) is that more people stop trying evade paying it. Policing it better at highre rate would have more benefit.
 
jonmcity said:
The ability of Ms Abbott had nothing to do with her race, nor was it ever suggested so on here.
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Of course, Abbott is uniquely inept and it was therefore essential for certain posters to ensure this fact was front and centre, page after page after page, so that it received the forensic analysis it richly deserved.
 
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pirate said:
tax more and enforce it properly



the only reason that reducing more the top rate increases revenue (a very neglible increase) is that more people stop trying evade paying it. Policing it better at highre rate would have more benefit.
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I agree with your middle sentence. But you cannot "police" what is not illegal, and I don't think much activity is illegal. People earning £200k a year on PAYE have to pay whatever the tax rate is, since it's taken off them at source and there's nothing they can do about it.

So that is not the demographic we are talking about. The people who avoided (not evade) paying 50% are those who have their own businesses and / or who are worth millions, even billions. If tax rates are too high, they simply pay themselves elsewhere, or restructure their businesses in some other way to avoid it. This may be unfair, but that's what they do.

That's why the LibDems want a 1p rise on the basic rate. They know from experience in government that raising the top rate, doesn't generate any money.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I agree with your middle sentence. But you cannot "police" what is not illegal, and I don't think much activity is illegal. People earning £200k a year on PAYE have to pay whatever the tax rate is, since it's taken off them at source and there's nothing they can do about it.

So that is not the demographic we are talking about. The people who avoided (not evade) paying 50% are those who have their own businesses and / or who are worth millions, even billions. If tax rates are too high, they simply pay themselves elsewhere, or restructure their businesses in some other way to avoid it. This may be unfair, but that's what they do.
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Tax avoidance although not illegal is morally corrupt. We should point out all the celebs and businesses that are avoiding tax, and let the consumer decide if they want to spend their money with them.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
I really can't believe that people are putting Corbyn's stance on terror over real issues like the cuts to the NHS, Education, Welfare, the police that we already KNOW are going to happen if the Tories win. God knows what will happen that they haven't told us about.

To me this is the most important election since 1979, when there was a real and pressing need for fundamental political change. I unhesitatingly voted Conservative then because I thought they would reverse the decline in this country. This election it's the other way round - A Tory government will do incalculable damage to this country in my view, far worse than some Islamic nutter with a knife.
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Looks like I don't have to worry now mate. Friday off work. Hope I'll be drinking to a Labour win.

Shocked I'm voting for Labour, but it's the only option now.
 
jonmcity said:
Tax avoidance although not illegal is morally corrupt. We should point out all the celebs and businesses that are avoiding tax, and let the consumer decide if they want to spend their money with them.
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I agree with that. I think we do, to be fair. Hence the outcry over the scheme that people like Gary Barlow was involved in.

Gary Barlow is relatively poor though, compared to people like Lakshmi Mittal, who most people will have never heard of.
 
Just looking at the betting and the Conservatives range from 1/10 up to 1/14.
Virtually all the doorstep pollsters are saying that the polls are not reflecting what they're hearing, ie
UKIP votes appear to be moving to the Tories in greater numbers.
Unless, it's all Daily Mail shite of course.
 
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