General Videogame Thread

kippaxwarrior said:
Don't forget a lot of publishers deliberately make their games Grindy to entice customer to buy MTX to cut the grind.

Ubisoft are a prime example of this.

Take Assassins Creed Odyssey. Now I think that's a great game, the map is huge, I like the story and combat and it's fun to play however the leveling system is geared towards buying MTX to level faster.

Say your character is level 30 and you go up against a level 32 NPC your going to get wrecked even though they are 2 levels above you so you have to grind a LOT of fetch quests to gain that extra 2 levels and here's the kicker. Each time you level you you need more xp each time to level you BUT the xp you earn from fetch quests remains the same xp throughout the game. Doesn't matter if your level 1 or level 30 you get the same xp for the quest. So what do Ubisoft do? They offer a MTX called a time saver. For £8 that will give you double xp on everything you do in the game forever. When your near the end of the game the bosses are ridiculously tough and you need to be at least the same level or higher to beat them.

So what do you do? Grind for hours and hours doing meaningless quest to get to the level or pay £8 to speed up the game? I bought the time saver mxt as I got the game for £15 so I spent £23 on a game I've played around just over 100 hours which I would say is good value. If I had payed full price for the game(£50) I wouldn't of bought it

But wait! Ubisoft also sell better gear and weapons to help you though the game £2 for a sword £5 for better amour ect. I haven't bought them but that's how they get other people. It's a non stop cash cow.

MTX and DLC are different than loot boxes as you know exactly what your buying whereas loot boxes are a game of chance which is gambling and they should be banned but MTX and DLC will never go away.
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And here's the kicker - atleast if you were allowing the kid to place a bit on football or the horses it provides them with a real life maths equation (why we were never taught to calculate in terms of mortgages and credit card repayments etc is beyond me) and provides atleast the possibility of a financial return.

As stated in an earlier post, as these games generally have a short shelf life coupled with the fact that you only really make it easier anyway), there isn't any real upside the to the investment..........
 
Vicious111 said:
Anyone on here a fan of Stellaris?

Just realised I've played roughly 150 hours of this game and infact never even finished a scenario!
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Yeah played it a bit.
Enjoyed it,but it gets a bit grindy.

You need some of the expansion packs to get a decent experience.

Finished one play through beating the unbidden.
Quit a couple of other campaigns one being the ai rebellion.....got wrecked.
 
Onholiday(somemightsay) said:
And here's the kicker - atleast if you were allowing the kid to place a bit on football or the horses it provides them with a real life maths equation (why we were never taught to calculate in terms of mortgages and credit card repayments etc is beyond me) and provides atleast the possibility of a financial return.
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I would suggest that if you feel your kids education has a few holes you, as a responsible parent, would fill in those holes by teaching them maths/ mortgages and not letting them bet.
 
Onholiday(somemightsay) said:
And here's the kicker - atleast if you were allowing the kid to place a bit on football or the horses it provides them with a real life maths equation (why we were never taught to calculate in terms of mortgages and credit card repayments etc is beyond me) and provides atleast the possibility of a financial return.

As stated in an earlier post, as these games generally have a short shelf life coupled with the fact that you only really make it easier anyway), there isn't any real upside the to the investment..........
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Not sure what kind of school you went to, but I was definitely taught in terms of interest and compound interest at high school, and we teach our primary kids the beginnings of interest in maths, and how that ties in with risk etc in specific "money smart" lessons.
 
quiet_riot said:
Not sure what kind of school you went to, but I was definitely taught in terms of interest and compound interest at high school, and we teach our primary kids the beginnings of interest in maths, and how that ties in with risk etc in specific "money smart" lessons.
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Fair enough - my little ones are still only in play school so haven't ventured that far as yet........
 
I miss the old football management games. Back in the day you signed your players, set the formation and you were good to go. Now you need a PhD in computer science to decide who takes the throw ins and half your hard drive space is taken up with the information about your scouts. I've been playing Retro Football Manager on my phone lately, reminds me of the simpler days of football management games.
 
OnlyOneUweRosler said:
I miss the old football management games. Back in the day you signed your players, set the formation and you were good to go. Now you need a PhD in computer science to decide who takes the throw ins and half your hard drive space is taken up with the information about your scouts. I've been playing Retro Football Manager on my phone lately, reminds me of the simpler days of football management games.
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Just download cm 01/02. It's free, gets regular player updates and runs like a very fast thing Indeed.
 
OnlyOneUweRosler said:
I miss the old football management games. Back in the day you signed your players, set the formation and you were good to go. Now you need a PhD in computer science to decide who takes the throw ins and half your hard drive space is taken up with the information about your scouts. I've been playing Retro Football Manager on my phone lately, reminds me of the simpler days of football management games.
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I play the mobile version of the current one, 4-4-2 diamond works a treat.
 
BimboBob said:
Just download cm 01/02. It's free, gets regular player updates and runs like a very fast thing Indeed.
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See, the novelty of CM 01/02 is to play with the old squads and be nostalgic.

Anyway, for sports gamers F1 2020 is out and you can create your own team for the first time this year.
 
Onholiday(somemightsay) said:
And here's the kicker - atleast if you were allowing the kid to place a bit on football or the horses it provides them with a real life maths equation (why we were never taught to calculate in terms of mortgages and credit card repayments etc is beyond me) and provides atleast the possibility of a financial return.

As stated in an earlier post, as these games generally have a short shelf life coupled with the fact that you only really make it easier anyway), there isn't any real upside the to the investment..........
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A lot of things like that are to get to the endgame quicker. I used to play WoW and as an endgame raider it was all about getting to max level as soon as possible because you needed to gear up for raiding the newest content. Getting to max level takes a lot of time, especially from level 1 which would take you months unless you played 24/7.

Back in the day, people in WoW used to buy ingame gold from dodgy Chinese online sellers and some even bought levelling services to have someone level their characters for them, all against the rules of course. You otherwise had no choice but to grind the gold to buy things in game and you had to put in the graft to level your character.

Nowadays though Blizzard have realised the money they could make and you can now just buy a gold token for a fixed price, I think it's around £15 and you can even buy a levelling token for £50 to take a character from level 1 to max level saving you months of time.

DLC's and ingame items are just a part of the massive revenue in games now. It makes sense because in the past they sold 1 game for £40 for each person playing but now that one sale can represent £100's from one person.

I suppose the one plus side is many games are becoming free and instead rely solely on optional DLC's/ingame sales, for example COD Warzone, Fortnite etc. COD and Fornite in particular are funny ones because their stores only offer things like cosmetic changes which don't even help you in the game however the sales are showing that gamers can't get enough of it.

I believe the newest COD brought in over $1bn for Activision in just 4 months following its release.... God knows how much they are making from Warzone too.
 
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lust overlord said:
Yeah played it a bit.
Enjoyed it,but it gets a bit grindy.

You need some of the expansion packs to get a decent experience.

Finished one play through beating the unbidden.
Quit a couple of other campaigns one being the ai rebellion.....got wrecked.
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I've got all of the major expansions and play online with a few pals. Most of the time we get to Titan age then things grind to a bit of a bore. The new Federations seems to have filled that void however and is a breath of fresh air.

It seems I keep playing to a certain point then starting again. My one major criticism however is calling in your federation fleet. Your Southern border gets attacked all the whilst your massive federation fleet idles about. Would be good to see an upgrade that calls in fleets/provides command when attacked.
 
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