General Wrestling Thread

Was disappointed with last nights result. Sure Cena is seen as the safe bet and will carry the belt until Bryan is fit for return (which might be a bit longer as apparently he might need another op) or they think of a legit way to push someone else but they could have been a bit more creative.

Reigns, although a decent character, is not in the position to run with the title like Cena at the moment. Dropping him from the Shield fued has done him no favours and if last night is anything to go by he will be the nearly man for a few months just like Bryan was last year.

The other two members of the Shield now have there own theme music, generic pap, when it should still be the Sheild music with 2 v 1 + the authority. Once again they have somewhat bottled it and could have had a decent fued which could have taken the interest onto a few PPV's. Still, with the loose cannon that is Ambrose future storylines might be interesting.

Barratt has been pushed of late, and would have continued to be had it not been for the injury from Smackdown.

Tag teams change hands...meh. They have killed interest in the tag team championship over the last few years, teaming people who shouldn't be paired together and giving them shitty names. Bring back the Edge and Christian days, when they battled The Hardys, The Dudleys etc etc. Teams that only really fought as a team and didn't do much single action (apart from Edge a bit later on).

My biggest gripe is with Rollins though. No personality, no charisma and looks lost without a partner. I understand he's the next evolution but for me he hasn't got it to succeed. He would have been better teaming up with Ambrose and going for the tag team titles. Throw in the Uso's, a couple of ladders and we could have had ourselves a decent match/ series.

Oh well...onto RAW tonight ;)
 
pudge & rodge said:
Damocles said:
The top star in the company who they were building the top of the card around getting severely injured is poor planning now apparently.

And people are literally complaining about wrestler's music
To be fair, for the last year these are who have headlined each PPV. Starting from June 16th;

-Cena vs. Ryback
-Randy Orton vs. Rob Van Dam vs. CM Punk vs. Daniel Bryan vs. Sheamus vs. Christian
-John Cena vs. Daniel Bryan
*Daniel Bryan vs. Randy Orton
-Randy Orton vs. Daniel Bryan
-Randy Orton vs. Daniel Bryan
-Randy Orton vs. Daniel Bryan
-Randy Orton vs. Big Show
-Randy Orton vs. John Cena
-Randy Orton vs. John Cena
-Randy Orton vs. John Cena vs. Sheamus vs. Daniel Bryan vs. Cesaro vs. Christian
-Randy Orton vs. Batista vs. Daniel Bryan

And scheduled before Bryan's injury;

-Daniel Bryan vs. Kane
-The Shield (Dean Ambrose, Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns) vs. Evolution (Triple H, Randy Orton and Batista)
-Alberto Del Rio vs. Bray Wyatt vs. Cesaro vs. John Cena vs. Kane vs. Randy Orton vs. Roman Reigns vs. Sheamus

That's 14 PPV's;

Orton headlining 11 (12 if you count the cash in)
Bryan headlining 7 (8 if you count the cash in, and scheduled to headline at least 1 more before his injury)
Cena headlining 6

There's been very little progression with regards to the title picture for over a year now. Bryan's injury shouldn't have been that big of a spanner in the works.

Even Cena was injured in the past year as well, still held the belt a few times and headlined 6 PPVs.

But that feeds into the point that the WM booking has been totally different and those who are saying it should go back to pre-WM booking are actually asking for Orton/Cena on top.

Bryan's injury meant that the guy who they were going to build the company around after WM isn't there and their number 2 face for post-WM in Punk already isn't there. So they try to elevate new guys by breaking up the Shield stable and combining them with the ongoing storylines on top and they get shit on. They put the belt in a safe pair of hands in Cena to spin their wheels until Bryan gets back and they get shit on. They introduce NXT people constantly and they get shit on.

There is literally nothing at all that WWE can do to please internet fans. They seemed to learn this about 2006 or so
 
Damocles said:
pudge & rodge said:
Damocles said:
The top star in the company who they were building the top of the card around getting severely injured is poor planning now apparently.

And people are literally complaining about wrestler's music
To be fair, for the last year these are who have headlined each PPV. Starting from June 16th;

-Cena vs. Ryback
-Randy Orton vs. Rob Van Dam vs. CM Punk vs. Daniel Bryan vs. Sheamus vs. Christian
-John Cena vs. Daniel Bryan
*Daniel Bryan vs. Randy Orton
-Randy Orton vs. Daniel Bryan
-Randy Orton vs. Daniel Bryan
-Randy Orton vs. Daniel Bryan
-Randy Orton vs. Big Show
-Randy Orton vs. John Cena
-Randy Orton vs. John Cena
-Randy Orton vs. John Cena vs. Sheamus vs. Daniel Bryan vs. Cesaro vs. Christian
-Randy Orton vs. Batista vs. Daniel Bryan

And scheduled before Bryan's injury;

-Daniel Bryan vs. Kane
-The Shield (Dean Ambrose, Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns) vs. Evolution (Triple H, Randy Orton and Batista)
-Alberto Del Rio vs. Bray Wyatt vs. Cesaro vs. John Cena vs. Kane vs. Randy Orton vs. Roman Reigns vs. Sheamus

That's 14 PPV's;

Orton headlining 11 (12 if you count the cash in)
Bryan headlining 7 (8 if you count the cash in, and scheduled to headline at least 1 more before his injury)
Cena headlining 6

There's been very little progression with regards to the title picture for over a year now. Bryan's injury shouldn't have been that big of a spanner in the works.

Even Cena was injured in the past year as well, still held the belt a few times and headlined 6 PPVs.

But that feeds into the point that the WM booking has been totally different and those who are saying it should go back to pre-WM booking are actually asking for Orton/Cena on top.

Bryan's injury meant that the guy who they were going to build the company around after WM isn't there and their number 2 face for post-WM in Punk already isn't there. So they try to elevate new guys by breaking up the Shield stable and combining them with the ongoing storylines on top and they get shit on. They put the belt in a safe pair of hands in Cena to spin their wheels until Bryan gets back and they get shit on. They introduce NXT people constantly and they get shit on.

There is literally nothing at all that WWE can do to please internet fans. They seemed to learn this about 2006 or so
Really?

4 straight Orton vs. Bryan main events?

Followed by 2 consecutive Orton vs. Cena main events

Then all 3 involved in the very next one and then 2 of the 3 involved in next one after that...

It's not pre-WM booking people want, it's good booking.

They may incorporate different names into feuds but then they package them back up and put them back on the shelf while the 3 main stays carry on.

The tag team division is woefully booked; Uso's win all... the... time. There was a brief moment when Axelback were fueding with the Uso's and that lasted about 2 weeks, now the brotherhoods back (stardust lol) and they'll probably challenge for the belts soon enough putting the Wyatt's back in their place. The belts are as meaningless as the US title was when Ambrose held it, or IC belt when Big E held it.

The handling of Cesaro has been terrible, disappointed in Paul E. Putting the belt on Seamus and having him continually beat Cesaro is a bit pointless.

The booking has been poor and badly handled for well over a year because we're dealing with the same names every single PPV; often facing off against each other. Except this time there is no Rock/Austin/HHH/HBK/Mankind etc type feuds to keep it interesting and lively. It's just a predictable bore-fest; for a year.

They spent a year pushing Bryan to the moon and back, sticking him and Orton together all the time. A year, that's plenty of time to assume another name could be established in the title picture, but no. They've put all their eggs in one basket and chewy luis has been at their backside.
 
Damocles said:
The top star in the company who they were building the top of the card around getting severely injured is poor planning now apparently.

And people are literally complaining about wrestler's music

yes, entrance music is important, catchy entrance music raises a superstar up a level.

I'm not saying the injury is poor planning, I'm saying that they clearly hadn't planned what the roster is doing long-term out properly which results in a hodge-podge of an emergency plan, rather than simply being able to shuffle 1 or 2 people round as you know what they're doing. They don't know what they're doing with half their roster which means that they don't get over thus it causes serious problems when they need a quick fix. If they'd built the likes of Barrett, Ziggler, Axel up properly and given the likes of Kane proper characters they can run with a whole lot more than the usual "Cena quick fix" card, but again he's the biggest culprit, but you can't really blame him for preserving his position.
 
Damocles said:
pudge & rodge said:
Damocles said:
The top star in the company who they were building the top of the card around getting severely injured is poor planning now apparently.

And people are literally complaining about wrestler's music
To be fair, for the last year these are who have headlined each PPV. Starting from June 16th;

-Cena vs. Ryback
-Randy Orton vs. Rob Van Dam vs. CM Punk vs. Daniel Bryan vs. Sheamus vs. Christian
-John Cena vs. Daniel Bryan
*Daniel Bryan vs. Randy Orton
-Randy Orton vs. Daniel Bryan
-Randy Orton vs. Daniel Bryan
-Randy Orton vs. Daniel Bryan
-Randy Orton vs. Big Show
-Randy Orton vs. John Cena
-Randy Orton vs. John Cena
-Randy Orton vs. John Cena vs. Sheamus vs. Daniel Bryan vs. Cesaro vs. Christian
-Randy Orton vs. Batista vs. Daniel Bryan

And scheduled before Bryan's injury;

-Daniel Bryan vs. Kane
-The Shield (Dean Ambrose, Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns) vs. Evolution (Triple H, Randy Orton and Batista)
-Alberto Del Rio vs. Bray Wyatt vs. Cesaro vs. John Cena vs. Kane vs. Randy Orton vs. Roman Reigns vs. Sheamus

That's 14 PPV's;

Orton headlining 11 (12 if you count the cash in)
Bryan headlining 7 (8 if you count the cash in, and scheduled to headline at least 1 more before his injury)
Cena headlining 6

There's been very little progression with regards to the title picture for over a year now. Bryan's injury shouldn't have been that big of a spanner in the works.

Even Cena was injured in the past year as well, still held the belt a few times and headlined 6 PPVs.

But that feeds into the point that the WM booking has been totally different and those who are saying it should go back to pre-WM booking are actually asking for Orton/Cena on top.

Bryan's injury meant that the guy who they were going to build the company around after WM isn't there and their number 2 face for post-WM in Punk already isn't there. So they try to elevate new guys by breaking up the Shield stable and combining them with the ongoing storylines on top and they get shit on. They put the belt in a safe pair of hands in Cena to spin their wheels until Bryan gets back and they get shit on. They introduce NXT people constantly and they get shit on.

There is literally nothing at all that WWE can do to please internet fans. They seemed to learn this about 2006 or so
that's not true though, they have guys there they could easily elevate without needing to break up the Shield, who were just about to become something seriously major. Add to that what they did with Wyatt and it's clearly it's just the same preserve the elite bullshit booking that annoys people. oddly you quote 2006, well that's when everyone started getting pissed off with Cena holding the belt so much, and nothing has changed since, in 8 years.
 
The problem with Cena is that he is the top merchandise seller and beats the other wrestlers by a margin of 5 to 1.

WWE is so utterly shit scared of doing anything different with him for fear of losing that money.

What they don't seem to realise is that if he was to do something different, like turn heel, then there would be a huge vacuum for a babyface to fill and who knows, that babyface might become even bigger than Cena. I guarantee if Cena was to turn heel, provided they do it properly, then MILLIONS of people would tune in to see what happens next, it's then up to WWE to maintain that momentum.

WWE is at the mercy of it's share price, they cannot take any risks with Cena because it will hit them hard if they fail, but they are stuck in creative purgatory until they take a chance and do something different.
 
JoeMercer'sWay said:
BimboBob said:
Jericho v Bray...


Now that is an interesting idea.

somebody who would, y'know, put Wyatt over, unlike Cena...

The best technical wrestlers always put over future stars. Look at Jericho , Kurt Angle , Eddie Guerrero , Edge and Chris Bennoit were always putting others over cleanly. Look at Cena and Orton but more so Cena its always a fluke win that beats them. Hell even the Rock has put wrestlers over cleanly in the past.

Always good to see Jericho wrestle if he ever came back full time I would love to see him given a title run but that ain't ever going to happen.
 

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