George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

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With the current President on record for wanting any civilian who opposes fascism classed as a terrorist and wants states to "dominate" protesters and jail them for "long periods of time", can someone please tell me how and why the opposing candidate would even consider being pretty much the same?

Seems logical that the alternative to the current administration is the better chance for change but sure I'm probably just "whitesplaining"
 
pudge said:
With the current President on record for wanting any civilian who opposes fascism classed as a terrorist and wants states to "dominate" protesters and jail them for "long periods of time", can someone please tell me how and why the opposing candidate would even consider being pretty much the same?

Seems logical that the alternative to the current administration is the better chance for change but sure I'm probably just "whitesplaining"
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Because some jackasses think an all out revolution is required to get the significant change they want, so want things to get as shit as possible in order to get the majority on there side. It's pretty much the idiots in Four Lions suggesting they should blow up a mosque
 
Fucking disgusting these rioters, completely betraying the just cause that so many have rallied to.

It is the right to protest, not ransack Watches of Switzerland and Chanel in NYC Soho. As for Minnesotta and others, they will find that the businesses they have torched and stolen from are from their own struggling neighbourhoods, already crippled by the lockdown.

Those places won't be back anytime soon, certainly not before those in Manhattan.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Fucking disgusting these rioters, completely betraying the just cause that so many have rallied to.

It is the right to protest, not ransack Watches of Switzerland and Chanel in NYC Soho. As for Minnesotta and others, they will find that the businesses they have torched and stolen from are from their own struggling neighbourhoods, already crippled by the lockdown.

Those places won't be back anytime soon, certainly not before those in Manhattan.
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The thing is, one doesn’t expect better from rioters. We do expect better from those paid to protect and serve.

If you’ve actually spent any time in this thread to watch some of the videos of the casual brutality meted out to unarmed, non-violent protesters and you still think the hot take from the last four days is the behaviour of some rioters, then I’ve lost a great deal of respect for you I’m afraid Tolm and I like you a great deal. And I’m hardly a yogurt knitter. The system is broken. America is broken.
 
SWP's back said:
The thing is. One doesn’t expect better from rioters. We do expect better from those paid to protect and serve.

If you’ve actually spent any time in this thread to watch some of the videos of the casual brutality meted out to unarmed, non-violent protesters and you still think the hot take from the last four days is the behaviour of some rioters, then I’ve lost a great deal of respect for you I’m afraid Tolm and I like you a great deal. And I’m hardly a yogurt knitter. The system is broken. America is broken.
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I've seen plenty of videos mate, including police officers even taking a knee with protesters.

With each passing day that someone burns a police car or smashes up a local business, the message is lost.

Half the shops smashed up in those neighbourhoods are owned by African Americans, that is where plenty are corrupting the protest message.

In what crazy argument do people deface the Lincoln Memorial, surely anybody with a modicum of intelligence would know the historical relevance of his presidency?

I always try to see both sides of an argument, or we never learn anything.

Complete agreement that the system is broken and America is divided along racial lines.

However, it becomes even more divided when those rioters decide to piggyback on a justified protest, simply because it is an opportunity to cause mayhem.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Fucking disgusting these rioters, completely betraying the just cause that so many have rallied to.

It is the right to protest, not ransack Watches of Switzerland and Chanel in NYC Soho. As for Minnesotta and others, they will find that the businesses they have torched and stolen from are from their own struggling neighbourhoods, already crippled by the lockdown.

Those places won't be back anytime soon, certainly not before those in Manhattan.
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TH, i respect your posts & look forward to your tidbits of transfer info, so don't think this is me screaming at you........

What happens when peaceful protests go unheard? At some point, shit has to get serious. Let me ask you this:
If I came to your house every night for 50 years and smacked the fuck out of your wife & kids, how long would it be before you kicked my ass? I'm guessing not that long. I've lived in England & the US and I can tell you, you have no idea how it is being a minority in the US. It's a lot different here than over there, racially. It's open season on us and we are saying FUCK THAT. Businesses can rebuild, lost lives are lost forever.

Read about Emmett Till and try and stomach those pictures if you can. They are very disturbing. This was a 14 year old boy killed by racist twats who were never punished. This is why we riot. Nothing changed since Emmett in 1955
 
Ardwick Green Blue said:
Not from what I've seen, no. Murder is an act carried out with the intention to kill someone and I don't think that is the case. It definitely looks like manslaughter as the police were negligent and they were completely responsible for his death.
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'Manslaughter' would be kneeling on his neck and then getting up when he hear him say "I can't breathe!" a couple of times, but he dies anyway.

'Murder' should be hearing that complaint, ignoring it and continuing to kneel on his neck, knowing the pressure you're putting on it, and you continue to do so for a couple of minutes when he's non-responsive.

That action moves into malicious intent.

How it's not 'murder' is unbelievable.
 
tonea2003 said:
had the misfortune to watch some horrific videos on twitter today of baying mob kick a shopkeeper to death, that bit i just don't get, i maybe naive but what justification is there?

if that baying mob did that to the police i would get it albeit two wrongs dont make a right, but i would get it

i suppose they would not be legitimate protesters but using the situation for more sinister reasons??
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I guess you are referring to the beating of the guy who was protecting his shop with machete. He was not beaten to death, though if he was actually protecting his shop and not just went Rambo with protesters (if they lie he was beaten to death, I wouldn't be surprised they lied about keeping his shop), it's a shit stuff to do, even if he is some racist ****, it's not him they should fight against, it's institutional racism they should fight against.
 
Looting and vandalism is a symptom of the problem and I'm not sure why that would be anyone's entry point into the conversation.

The far, far greater atrocities being committed right now include compliant journalists being arrested, shot in the face and blinded, nurses are being pepper sprayed while trying to treat the wounded, peaceful protestors are getting run over, tear gassed and trampled by horses, non-protesting citizens are being shot at on their own property while following curfew guidelines or in the streets while walking home with their shopping. If anyone can tell me how swiping a couple of watches from a shop is the main talking point then I'd be very fucking interested to hear that take.

Police Departments like those in Flint are in the minority and the rest are fuelling the chaos. Whenever there is unrest, there will be those looking to take advantage.

The destruction of independent stores is something I could never condone but that's not what the problem is. There's no point pulling up weeds if you aren't getting to the roots.
 
BosnianBlue said:
I guess you are referring to the beating of the guy who was protecting his shop with machete. He was not beaten to death, though if he was actually protecting his shop and not just went Rambo with protesters (if they lie he was beaten to death, I wouldn't be surprised they lied about keeping his shop), it's a shit stuff to do, even if he is some racist ****, it's not him they should fight against, it's institutional racism they should fight against.
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After watching that video I can say that the scum who beat him and threw rocks at him need some pretty rough justice themselves, I hope it visits them soon.
 
Tugay One Cup said:
Looting and vandalism is a symptom of the problem and I'm not sure why that would be anyone's entry point into the conversation.

The far, far greater atrocities being committed right now include compliant journalists being arrested, shot in the face and blinded, nurses are being pepper sprayed while trying to treat the wounded, peaceful protestors are getting run over, tear gassed and trampled by horses, non-protesting citizens are being shot at on their own property while following curfew guidelines or in the streets while walking home with their shopping. If anyone can tell me how swiping a couple of watches from a shop is the main talking point then I'd be very fucking interested to hear that take.

Police Departments like those in Flint are in the minority and the rest are fuelling the chaos. Whenever there is unrest, there will be those looking to take advantage.

The destruction of independent stores is something I could never condone but that's not what the problem is. There's no point pulling up weeds if you aren't getting to the roots.
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THIS, THIS and EXACTLY THIS
 
Bigga said:
'Manslaughter' would be kneeling on his neck and then getting up when he hear him say "I can't breathe!" a couple of times, but he dies anyway.

'Murder' should be hearing that complaint, ignoring it and continuing to kneel on his neck, knowing the pressure you're putting on it, and you continue to do so for a couple of minutes when he's non-responsive.

That action moves into malicious intent.

How it's not 'murder' is unbelievable.
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It's murder, nothing more, nothing less. Knee on neck for 9 minutes, 2+ of those after he became unresponsive. He begged for air, for water, for his dead mother. It's fucking murder and those 4 pigs need to hang for it.
 
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tolmie's hairdoo said:
Fucking disgusting these rioters, completely betraying the just cause that so many have rallied to.

It is the right to protest, not ransack Watches of Switzerland and Chanel in NYC Soho. As for Minnesotta and others, they will find that the businesses they have torched and stolen from are from their own struggling neighbourhoods, already crippled by the lockdown.

Those places won't be back anytime soon, certainly not before those in Manhattan.
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Some of the rioters are trying to "betray the just cause." They're plants trying to foment more racial violence. Pushing protesters into police, breaking shop windows, wearing 88s and 3% patches and tattoos, setting churches on fire.

Your post hints in the direction of you not having seen evidence of that as well.

There are four sides here, not two.
 
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