George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

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It can be argued that true racism, the kind of racism that genuinely matter, is the intersection of power and bigotry.

So if the above statement is true, then the absence of true power in society, which black people as a group lack, certainly in the western world, means the most black people can be guilty of racial prejudice, which is pretty fucking horrible also and should never be condoned. It begins to get into complicated philosophical realms when you attempt to truly discuss such a claim, but at the very basic level, one could argue there are big differences between white on black bigotry vs black on white bigotry.

The same can be said of poor people they have no power whatsoever, but that being said I can see the contempt that law enforcement as a group in the USA hold for black people, that's surely got to change it just has to. What galls me is when powerful people of any colour explain to me that my moral compass could be wrong.
 
This is not about winning and losing; it's about Trump being racist. He is by the way.

Even if the you say the Mexican comments is false, you may have a point, but those comments were only clarified after the initial outrage.
Do you think Biden too is racist ?

To provide context he led and sponsored the Crime Bill which enabled law enforcement to use excessive force and put people of color behind bars in hundreds of thousands for minor infractions. This bill has played a major role in building a culture over more than two decades where police have got used to using the tactics they used against George Floyd.

Now Democrats are offering him as the option to the racist according to you. No he does not shout out racist statements he has just created laws which have done the real damage.
 
What would you say the big differences are a few examples.

Well, backed with power, acts of racial prejudice and bigotry quickly evolve into oppression, which America and Britain's own history can attest to. Therefore, although we may call a white person experiencing acts of prejudice or discrimination racism, but without the cultural and societal power structure behind it, it pales in comparison to the opposite scenario. It's the reason I started the original post with 'the kind of racism that truly matter".
 
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Sorry, are you seriously trying to argue Donald Trump isn't racist? The man has 40 years worth of blatantly racist comments on record, it's not up for debate.

It's not my argument, couldn't really give a crap. It's the millions of ethnic minority Americans that should stop supporting him that need to be convinced.
 
It's not my argument, couldn't really give a crap. It's the millions of ethnic minority Americans that should stop supporting him that need to be convinced.

It's not an argument at all. He is racist. He has shown time after time that he judges and discriminates against people based on the colour of their skin, their race, their nationality or their religion.

Now whether some people in those minorities voted/ will vote for him despite him being racist is another question.
 
This is how protesters in the UK treat our unarmed police.

In my mind looking at this, they haven't been armed enough.


Embarrassment!

What the fuck are these clueless cunts attacking our Police for?

Get on a flight to America (if you can) and go and attack their Police. Some of our Police are a lot of things, but they have absolutely fuck all to do with the US Police.

All the gatherings of protestors and now our Police being attacked is really getting on my fucking wick.

I can’t believe how incredibly thick some people can be!
 
As far as I know, nobody has asked you to take responsibility for slavery. That isn't even in the ballpark of being anywhere near close to being the point of any anti-racist campaign or movement I've ever come across. You don't have to face the uncomfortable truths the impact institutional and system racism has had in this country if you don't want to, the prerogative is completely your own, but if you want to understand the impact it has had on your fellow Brits, your neighbours, children's schoolteachers, postman, co-workers etc, for several generations in this country, let alone in some foreign land like America, then facing those truths would be a necessary requirement.

We know you can't relate, in the same way I can't personally relate to the plight of Jewish people in this country and worldwide, but that doesn't mean I won't take the time to listen to them, to understand their struggles and, where possible, fight for their right to not be discriminated against. We know you can't relate on a personal level, but we want you to stand with us in this fight anyway. That's all that's being asked. That's the general goal of any anti-racist campaign.

Some fair comment there but there's plenty of people out there making slavery an issue and trying to hold innocent people responsible for something their ancestors may have been involved in 100s of years ago. The reparation movement in America is much more established than in the UK but there are some MPs over here now who use the same kind of language. I think stuff like that toxifies 'anti-racism' campaigns and makes it harder for people to get behind whereas with the George Floyd killing, I don't think anyone with a flicker of humanity would think that was right.
 
Embarrassment!

What the fuck are these clueless cunts attacking our Police for?

Get on a flight to America (if you can) and go and attack their Police. Some of our Police are a lot of things, but they have absolutely fuck all to do with the US Police.

All the gatherings of protestors and now our Police being attacked is really getting on my fucking wick.

I can’t believe how incredibly thick some people can be![/QUOTE They forget the time the police and people stood as one on the bridge at Westminster during a terrorist attack risking their lives
 
Do you think Biden too is racist ?

To provide context he led and sponsored the Crime Bill which enabled law enforcement to use excessive force and put people of color behind bars in hundreds of thousands for minor infractions. This bill has played a major role in building a culture over more than two decades where police have got used to using the tactics they used against George Floyd.

Now Democrats are offering him as the option to the racist according to you. No he does not shout out racist statements he has just created laws which have done the real damage.

Honestly, I get sick of explaining the point that I cannot support Biden as a "choice" if it were down to me.

Along with the excessive lies. #45 is a con man who's built his wealth around that.

Biden supposed to work for the citizen and it's the LIES that irk me!

If he owned up to the lies, I'd start looking at him more favourably for owning it!
 
They forget the time the police and people stood as one on the bridge at Westminster during a terrorist attack risking their lives
Anyone who thinks gathering in large numbers while there’s a deadly virus knocking about has no more than two brain cells.

I also get fed up with people who think US issues are our business when they ignore 99% of the rest of the world’s race issues. There’s just no need for what’s going on in Britain at the moment. No justification for it at all.

Huge huge fines need dishing out to these people!
 
Some fair comment there but there's plenty of people out there making slavery an issue and trying to hold innocent people responsible for something their ancestors may have been involved in 100s of years ago. The reparation movement in America is much more established than in the UK but there are some MPs over here now who use the same kind of language. I think stuff like that toxifies 'anti-racism' campaigns and makes it harder for people to get behind whereas with the George Floyd killing, I don't think anyone with a flicker of humanity would think that was right.

I can't speak for other individuals. It would be truly absurd behaviour, if I was to walk over to my neighbours' front door to demand some kind of apology for or acknowledgement of slavery from them. The topic of reparations is often looked at as a truly controversial topic, but it shouldn't be. Britain should do the right thing.
 
Some fair comment there but there's plenty of people out there making slavery an issue and trying to hold innocent people responsible for something their ancestors may have been involved in 100s of years ago. The reparation movement in America is much more established than in the UK but there are some MPs over here now who use the same kind of language. I think stuff like that toxifies 'anti-racism' campaigns and makes it harder for people to get behind whereas with the George Floyd killing, I don't think anyone with a flicker of humanity would think that was right.
No person with a ounce of human compassion can say what happened to Mr Floyd right. The whole reparation movement is a curious thing. At what point do we start understanding that what happened hundreds of years ago is nothing to do with people of today. Do we in this country start asking for reparations from the Italian government for the occupation of Britain by the Roman empire or the Scandinavian countries for the slaves taken by the vikings. Finally, there were circa 5 to 6 million more Africans taken into slavery in the middle east and central Asia than taken to the Americas so it would be only fair countries in that region pay their share of any reparation bill. Slavery is a dark stain on humanity and is unfortunately on the rise again in failed states like Libya and also in the uk but our media turn a blind eye as generally the perpetrators are from communities that cannot criticised for reasons of cultural sensitivities.
 
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