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mcfc1632 said:
I just added to my point as I caught up with my post and re-read it - adding something from another post - so nothing to do with your reply

I am very straight-forward.

I loathe utterly every aspect of the premeditated actions of those that were looking for trouble today - thick cunts

I loathe utterly every aspect of the (likely) premeditated actions of those that used last weeks events to cause violence - exploitative cunts

I have a great degree of contempt for the self-entitled attitudes of those that chose to disregard the social-distancing rules in these crucial times and therefore demonstrate their contempt for the safety and lives of others - selfish cunts

Please stop with the inference that I and others have any level of support for the cunts that were out looking for trouble today - it is unseemly
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I appreciate the reply, but you notably ignored the one question I asked.
 
jma said:
You must be fucking stupid if you think that this is what I (or anyone else that I can see) said above.

It verges on the unbelievable that you would think it.

A big part of me wants to believe that you are that dim and you genuinely believe that.

It's better than the other option.
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Dim because I don't take your view? You haven't noticed that many people on this thread don't agree with you either, are they all dim? Get your head out of your arse.

And what's the other option? Spit it out.
 
Ric said:
I appreciate the reply, but you notably ignored the one question I asked.
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I gave you my straight-forward views

They are my views and they are what I have been expressing

I do not feel the need to do such comparisons - as it is not me that has any motives or is seeking to achieve something by doing so.

I am clear that all 3 behaviours are reprehensible and accordingly call them out as such
 
mexico1970 said:
Dim because I don't take your view? You haven't noticed that many people on this thread don't agree with you either, are they all dim? Get your head out of your arse.
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No. Dim for the reason I have quite clearly stated above and which you, again, are clearly, pathetically desperate to not address and to misinterpret.

I'll let others judge on this. I

t is quite clear to anyone reading what you are and are not willing to discuss. People can make their own judgements as to whether that is because you can't understand (some quite simple points that you then go on to deliberately misrepresent) or for some other reason.
 
jma said:
No. Dim for the reason I have quite clearly stated above and which you, again, are clearly, pathetically desperate to not address and to misinterpret.

I'll let others judge on this. I

t is quite clear to anyone reading what you are and are not willing to discuss. People can make their own judgements as to whether that is because you can't understand (some quite simple points that you then go on to deliberately misrepresent) or for some other reason.
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You have quite clearly stated the sum total of nothing, you have espoused a view that I don't agree with or follow, that doesn't make you right.

I'll ask you again. what is the "Other option"?
 
Ric said:
I think people get criticised for saying “ALL Lives Matter” because it’s become a racist trope, but I’m sure you already know that.
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Thats rubbish and very insulting. And is my concern for the black kids whose lives matter to me another racist 'trope'?
Out of order Ric.
 
mcfc1632 said:
I gave you my straight-forward views

They are my views and they are what I have been expressing

I do not feel the need to do such comparisons - as it is not me that has any motives or is seeking to achieve something by doing so.

I am clear that all 3 behaviours are reprehensible and accordingly call them out as such
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Ha, ok. Admirable avoidance of the question. You’d make a great Tory MP should Alok Sharma ever call it a day.
 
MCFC1993 said:
Pretty sure most on here have condemned the violence from both protests. Me included.

The issue then becomes the context:

- Last week the violence came from the minority, out of thousands and thousands of people. However the majority weren't looking for violence only to spread an important message about equality, the violence from a few shouldn't make us forget that.

- Todays protest was about what? The only okay answer is the statues and even that is pathetic as they were already adequately protected. The reality is that the majority of today's protest just went out looking for a fight and tried to shit all over last weeks protest with their racist, bigoted views.

Nobody is saying that violence from either protest is acceptable but it also isn't fair to lump the 2 protests together.
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Last week was a largely peaceful demo that degenerated into violence at the death as sadly these things often do - a mixture of drink, bravado and commitment no doubt.

Today kicked off with violence at half ten in the morning and went from there with beer swilling attackers going for the Police in the absence of their expected foe.

I think the difference is quite clear - neither sets of violence can be condoned but only one group set out to have a fight from the get go
 
Mike Cledford said:
Thats rubbish and very insulting. And is my concern for the black kids whose lives matter to me another racist 'trope'?
Out of order Ric.
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No, but it seems a bit disingenuous the way you keep feeling the need to repeat it tbh.
 
mexico1970 said:
You have quite clearly stated the sum total of nothing, you have espoused a view that I don't agree with or follow, that doesn't make you right.

I'll ask you again. what is the "Other option"?
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Who knows? I'm baffled that someone could having a reading comprehension that interprets the previous posts as condoning violence and I (and others) have explained to you why it is both false to say we are and a ridiculous equivalence to draw on a wider level.

Each time you choose to ignore it, not address the points and go back to claiming that people are condoning or excusing violence.

I don't know why you'd want to consistently misrepresent what people are saying. You tell us.
 
Today the right wingers or lads staggered 2 steps backwards especially the one pissing on a memorial. I don't know exactly what BLM in the UK really want but their cause moved forward again today.
 
jma said:
Who knows? I'm baffled that someone could having a reading comprehension that interprets the previous posts as condoning violence and I (and others) have explained to you why it is both false to say we are and a ridiculous equivalence to draw on a wider level.

Each time you choose to ignore it, not address the points and go back to claiming that people are condoning or excusing violence.

I don't know why you'd want to consistently misrepresent what people are saying. You tell us.
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This initial spat started when someone dared to say that the far left were as bad as the far right obviously some posters took umbrage with that, if you don't believe that they aren't then that's your prerogative, it doesn't mean that someone holding my views is thick or dim.

I'm not ignoring what you are saying I don't agree with what you are saying, again I ask you what is the "Other option"? Maybe you could confirm the point I was making in relation to what one side calls someone else that doesn't support their ideology.
 
Ric said:
Ha, ok. Admirable avoidance of the question. You’d make a great Tory MP should Alok Sharma ever call it a day.
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In my experience Tory MPs are not straight-forward and not straight-speaking

I am

My reply there is very straight-forward - and factual
 
BJL_City said:
It's a shame people can't put their political allegiances aside and feel the need to justify things that were unjustifiable. Violence and the endangerment of innocent people either through said violence or wilful disregard for a pandemic is inexcusable and completely undermines any other intention or message.
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Simply this
 
mexico1970 said:
This initial spat started when someone dared to say that the far left were as bad as the far right obviously some posters took umbrage with that, if you don't believe that they aren't then that's your prerogative, it doesn't mean that someone holding my views is thick or dim.

I'm not ignoring what you are saying I don't agree with what you are saying, again I ask you what is the "Other option"? Maybe you could confirm the point I was making in relation to what one side calls someone else that doesn't support their ideology.
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It's like grounding day.

Seriously, if you can't understand what I'm saying from the previous posts, you aren't going to get it now.

You continue to believe that I and some others on here are either condoning violence, supporting extremists from one end of the spectrum or another or refusing to see that there are idiots (sometimes violent ones) from all viewpoints.

It completely false and made up and has been explicitly made clear on several occasions. But it suits your implied argument that the two causes are equally just/unjust for you to claim it.

So I'll leave you to it.
 
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jma said:
It's like grounding day.

Seriously, if you can't understand what I'm saying from the previous posts, you aren't going to get it now.

You continue to believe that I and some others on here are either condoning violence, supporting extremists from one end of the spectrum or another or refusing to see that there are idiots (sometimes violent ones) from all viewpoints.

It completely false and made up and has been explicitly made clear on several occasions. But it suits your implied argument that the two causes are equally just/unjust.

So I'll leave you to it.
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We'll leave it at that, but it's nice that you didn't answer my question as to what is the "Other option".
 
mcfc1632 said:
In my experience Tory MPs are not straight-forward and not straight-speaking

I am

My reply there is very straight-forward - and factual
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It’s really not, as you still have not answered the question, but never mind.
 
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