George Floyd murder / Derek Chauvin guilty of murder

[SebastianBlue]

I’m not saying there isn’t, just not in his wild rant about shagging about.

I think some would argue the views he expressed themselves are representative of racist attitudes permeating American law enforcement and the culture’s general deference to incarceration, rather than support/intervention/rehabilitation, especially of non-whites.

“There are *some* people that aren’t worth saving.”

“We need to build warehouses to put *these* people in to it and lock them away for the rest of their lives.”

“Let’s stop *them*...at least some of these males going out and getting ten other women pregnant.”

“Let’s put *them* away.”

“*These* people have to be warehoused.”

“We put *them* away for the rest of their lives so the rest of *us* can be better.”

Do you think when he says “some”, “these”, and “them” he means people like him? That look like him? That come from his neighbourhood? That are among “us”? You think he wants to stop people that reside in his community from procreating? Even those from *his* community that have been convicted of crimes?

When black and brown people are still incarcerated at a much higher rate than white people (proportional to the overall population in the US, see chart below), it is unfortunately fair to assume that a large portion of “these people” to which he refers will be black, and many of them will have gone there based on an inherently racist system (judicial, economic, societal) that effectively set them on that path from birth.

Generational poverty and structural discrimination exists and most people can’t simply rise above it through the power of positive thinking and hard work.

This sort of rhetoric over the years has contributed to the perpetuation of those shackles, however couched in “I am not racist but...” phrasing.

 

[Ban-jani]

I think some would argue the views he expressed themselves are representative of racist attitudes permeating American law enforcement and the culture’s general deference to incarceration, rather than support/intervention/rehabilitation, especially of non-whites.

“There are *some* people that aren’t worth saving.”

“We need to build warehouses to put *these* people in to it and lock them away for the rest of their lives.”

“Let’s stop *them*...at least some of these males going out and getting ten other women pregnant.”

“Let’s put *them* away.”

“*These* people have to be warehoused.”

“We put *them* away for the rest of their lives so the rest of *us* can be better.”

Do you think when he says “some”, “these”, and “then” he means people like him? That look like him? That come from his neighbourhood? That are among “us”? You think he wants to stop people that reside in his community from procreating? Even those from *his* community that have been convicted of crimes?

When black and brown people are still incarcerated at a much higher rate than white people (proportional to the overall population in the US, see chart below), it is unfortunately fair to assume that a large portion of “these people” to which he refers will be black, and many of them will have gone there based on an inherently racist system (judicial, economic, societal) that effectively set them on that path from birth.

Generational poverty and structural discrimination exists and most people can’t simply rise above it through the power of positive thinking and hard work.

This sort of rhetoric over the years has contributed to the perpetuation of those shackles, however couched in “I am not racist but...” phrasing.

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Well 70% of single parent households are black so he could mean them.

You’re also far likely to enter into a life of crime if you have one parent which explains your graph.

 

[Dax777]

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Absolutely agree he shouldn’t be in law
enforcement, much less sheriff of a county with those views.

And I am not sure saying “we have to stop being politically correct, and I don’t care what race, 8 don’t care how old they are” magicly means race is no longer a factor in who he, Kenosha County, or America seek to imprison (at much higher rates proportional to overall population), though.

Saying there is no inherent racism in decision making or the system itself does not make it so.

If such powers of aspiration were effective the missus and I would be having a very enjoyable afternoon with Gal Gadot and Freema Agyeman right now.

Nor does it mean there is. And a higher proportion of incarceration doesn't prove racism either. I mean there is an easy way to show that. Men are also incarcerated at 15 times their proportion of the population. Does this mean there is a sexist agenda against men?

Anyway, on the second 'Bold' holy smokes she is stunning :)

 

[mat]

Mods

Any chance you can rename this thread White Privileged men using whataboutary to surpress the uncomfortable facts in front of them?

 

[Ban-jani]

Mods

Any chance you can rename this thread White Privileged men using whataboutary to surpress the uncomfortable facts in front of them?

Forget that. Just ban anyone who doesn’t agree with you.

Rather making pathetic accusations of racism against anyone who has a differing view just ban us all, that way you, Dave, Bluthrunthru, Bob etc. can all have a circle tug about Corbyn and how racist everything is.

This forum is absolutely shite now, it’s totally intolerant of opposing views.

And before anyone accuses me of anything I do think America has a race problem and Blake needn’t have been shot but fuck it, I can’t be arsed anymore, it’s just a site for one type of view now.

 

[SebastianBlue]

Well 70% of single parent households are black so he could mean them.

You’re also far likely to enter into a life of crime if you have one parent which explains your graph.

So you agree he largely meant black people when he said “some”, “these”, and “them”?

And I think it is very inaccurate to say people growing up with only one parent being far more likely to commit crime “explains” the Pew Research Center graph which represents an incredibly complex network of factors, including the aforementioned generational poverty and structural racism that impacts family units (“conventional” or otherwise).

I’m also not sure where you got your statistic — I think it may be based on a more simplistic (and likely flawed) US Census analysis, but I had trouble finding it, so perhaps it was some other study?

This is from Pew Research Center’s most recent analysis of various studies — the full write-up has some very interesting insights, especially the Republican v Democrat perception differential.

The Changing Profile of Unmarried Parents

One-in-four parents living with a child in the United States today are unmarried, up from 7% in 1968. A growing share of unmarried parents are cohabiting partners.

www.pewsocialtrends.org

 

[SebastianBlue]

Nor does it mean there is. And a higher proportion of incarceration doesn't prove racism either. I mean there is an easy way to show that. Men are also incarcerated at 15 times their proportion of the population. Does this mean there is a sexist agenda against men?

Anyway, on the second 'Bold' holy smokes she is stunning :)

So what you are asserting is that non-white people just commit crime at higher rates than white people?

 

[Ban-jani]

So you agree he largely meant black people when he said “some”, “these”, and “them”?

And I think it is very inaccurate to say people growing up with only one parent being far more likely to commit crime “explains” the Pew Research Center graph which represents an incredibly complex network of factors, including the aforementioned generational poverty and structural racism that impacts family units (“conventional” or otherwise).

I’m also not sure where you got your statistic — I think it may be based on a more simplistic (and likely flawed) US Census analysis, but I had trouble finding it, so perhaps it was some other study?

This is from Pew Research Center’s most recent analysis of various studies — the full write-up has some very interesting insights, especially the Republican v Democrat perception differential.

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The Changing Profile of Unmarried Parents

One-in-four parents living with a child in the United States today are unmarried, up from 7% in 1968. A growing share of unmarried parents are cohabiting partners.

www.pewsocialtrends.org

I don’t mind having a chat with you and there’s a good conversation here about improving the situation for young people in America and single parent households but I can’t be arsed mate, I’ve been called a racist about 10 times today without saying anything racist in 11 years on this forum so I’ve had enough for tonight.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

I have a view that i have made very clear in this thread from the start,i left because you wont listen

Oh, I was listening, but when the level of conversation is “fucking pigs” I draw the line. You liked that post, which tells me that not only are YOU not here to listen, or even possibly learn something, but have made up your mind at the very extreme end of the spectrum.

 

[Dax777]

So what you are asserting is that non-white people just commit crime at higher rates than white people?

Nope. You inferred that. I simply showed you that disproportionate rate of representation does not prove discrimination. That said, let me infer right back at you. Are you saying different populations commit all crimes at the same rates?