George Floyd murder / Derek Chauvin guilty of murder

Bigga said:
Quite honestly, I've not seen a defence lawyer team as open as this before on such a high profile case.

The cynic in me would have anyone believe that the firm they've come from have signed off on such a shitty team leading the defence...
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And open themselves up to a negligence action by Chauvin afterwards?

There is nothing for them to fight fair on because of the tape, but I suspect the defence team are trying to discredit witnesses by provoking them and lead the jury towards a manslaughter conviction because "he didn't really intend or foresee death as a likely outcome". Hopefully it doesn't work.
 
bluethrunthru said:
win or lose we get paid its just about whether we want our windows put in and the office torched?
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True, but it's about a 'fair trial'.

Fair to whom, is the question. The witnesses against Chauvin, from his own team to bystanders, who is backing him? The police union? They'll be objective and say nothing about the defence.

The only chance he's got is the miniscule mitigating circumstance of Floyd's drug use.

Chauvin's being, rightfully, hung out to dry.
 
Bigga said:
True, but it's about a 'fair trial'.

Fair to whom, is the question. The witnesses against Chauvin, from his own team to bystanders, who is backing him? The police union? They'll be objective and say nothing about the defence.

The only chance he's got is the miniscule mitigating circumstance of Floyd's drug use.

Chauvin's being, rightfully, hung out to dry.
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I am not sure about hung out to dry - nor about his union or drug use I think Chauvins actions on film were those seen around the world of a man who murdered another man. Simple as. No reaction to his victims plight and no concern when what he had done became evident as George Floyd was carted off in the ambulance.
Thao and the other guy should not escape some sort of sanction either.
 
Fode N The Hole said:
And open themselves up to a negligence action by Chauvin afterwards?

There is nothing for them to fight fair on because of the tape, but I suspect the defence team are trying to discredit witnesses by provoking them and lead the jury towards a manslaughter conviction because "he didn't really intend or foresee death as a likely outcome". Hopefully it doesn't work.
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As was said earlier, a good defence team would weigh up the pros and cons of opening a line of questioning that the prosecution would drive a truck through.

"Provoking" a witness is only useful if the witness is hostile, otherwise they're calm and informative.

It's a silly tactic, if not fully controlled.
 
bluethrunthru said:
I am not sure about hung out to dry - nor about his union or drug use I think Chauvins actions on film were those seen around the world of a man who murdered another man. Simple as. No reaction to his victims plight and no concern when what he had done became evident as George Floyd was carted off in the ambulance.
Thao and the other guy should not escape some sort of sanction either.
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Perhaps you miss the point of being "hung out to dry"? In many of these type of circumstances, I would expect another cop on the scene to back his compadré.

'Yes, Floyd was resisting', 'Yes, we were in fear of our lives' etc. What we do know is that Chauvin doesn't seem to have the officers on the scene in his corner.

So, the police union can back Chauvin or back the other officers. That's what it's going to come down to as a matter of support.

Yes, we know the video is there, but we've seen many men murdered on camera, only for the offenders to get off with the charge.

Eric Garner is a perfect example. Chokehold in a standing position to the ground until he no longer moved. All whilst many officers tackled him and he was not resisting.

Before he died he uttered...

"I can't breathe".
 
Bigga said:
As was said earlier, a good defence team would weigh up the pros and cons of opening a line of questioning that the prosecution would drive a truck through.

"Provoking" a witness is only useful if the witness is hostile, otherwise they're calm and informative.

It's a silly tactic, if not fully controlled.
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Unanimous verdict required in Minnesotta.

A white woman in her 50s claimed she used to work at a suburban business damaged last summer after Mr Floyd's death. She had seen the video, but said she generally trusted the police and felt that those who followed instructions had nothing to fear.
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Here is one person who might learn towards a manslaughter or acquittal.

www.bbc.com

Chauvin trial: Who are the jurors who will decide the former police officer's fate? - BBC News

The jurors in the murder trial over George Floyd’s death skew younger, white and female.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
 
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