George Floyd murder / Derek Chauvin guilty of murder

[SWP's back]

YOUR “fact” accompanying the picture is COMPLETE BULLSHIT, and anyone who thinks that POLITICAL THEATRE PHOTO is representative of American life is a fucking moron!

As for anyone winding their neck in, check yourself for getting caught spewing BS and trying to attack the facts to deflect from your BS.

Oh do FUCK OFF you PLANK. If you can’t get over a bit of hyperbole to emphasise a correct point, then there’s no HOPE for you. And WHY the FUCK do you FEEL the NEED to randomly shout certain words? IT just makes YOU look like a HYSTERICAL TWAT.

With or without the hyperbole, posing with guns does not denote gang membership or that someone is a violent criminal. One would think that given your hatred of things not being 100% accurate, you’d have had issue with Bert’s presumption that it does. My point that it doesn’t is entirely correct whether it’s 19% or 50% of American women that own guns.

Whilst we are discussing getting things ENTIRELY accurate, America was not “literally born with the right to bear arms”, the 2nd Amendment was written FOUR years after the Constitution was signed, hence being an Amendment. So watch your own BULLSHIT.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Oh do FUCK OFF you PLANK. If you can’t get over a bit of hyperbole to emphasise a correct point, then there’s no HOPE for you. And WHY the FUCK do you FEEL the NEED to randomly shout certain words? IT just makes YOU look like a TWAT.

More deflection because you speed complete bullshit. So brave. oh look, going after CAPITAL LETTERS now, too! What next, Alitalia letters kill Hal the people on Internet forums?!

With or without the hyperbole, posing with guns does not denote gang membership or that someone is a violent criminal. One would think that given your hatred of things not being 100% accurate, you’d have had issue with Bert’s presumption that it does.

Never said it did or does, but a sophisticated perk like yourself schooled be able o recognize political theatre when they see it! The guy is the head of the Republican Party in Oklahoma ffs!

Whilst we are discussing getting things ENTIRELY accurate, America was not “literally born with the right to bear arms”, the 2nd Amendment was written FOUR years after the Constitution was signed, hence being an Amendment. So watch your own BULLSHIT.

That is not bullshit, it is pedantry on your part, and it makes you look silly and petty. Well done.

If you check your history, you will find that STATES needed to ratify the Constitution and did so with attached proposed amendments. Why attached and proposed? Because they struggled to come up with a Constitution let alone agree to a bunch of other rights from the outset. There is the reason the first ten (?) Amendmints were done all tof ether at one time. It wasn’t that thy event acted with the Constitution, it was that they were struggling to come to agreement on so many things they needed the Constitution to get the country organized.

Oh, and 2A came from English common law!

 

[Vic]

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You need to read your history, because that is not why there is a right to bear arms!

I thought that's what you thought by shouting, "it is part of the FOUNDATIONAL RIGHTS OF BEING AN AMERICAN, FREE FROM SUBSERVIENCE TO A TYRANNICAL KING OF ENGLAND OR FUTURE AMERICAN TYRANT".

If you really think it's about the states' defending themselves against the federal army, it's still a long historical and legal jump to allowing possession by crazy individuals of machine guns.

If the right to bear arms derives from pre-revolution English rights, then for the idea that America was BORN this way, you have to wonder why the parent country doesn't have the same issues with guns.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

I thought that's what you thought by shouting, "it is part of the FOUNDATIONAL RIGHTS OF BEING AN AMERICAN, FREE FROM SUBSERVIENCE TO A TYRANNICAL KING OF ENGLAND OR FUTURE AMERICAN TYRANT".

If you really think it's about the states' defending themselves against the federal army, it's still a long historical and legal jump to allowing possession by crazy individuals of machine guns.

And you will find many, many takers of that argument...even me! However, we have a Supreme Court that, every now and then, is faced with a Second amendment issue. The last big case to get there was Heller, and the Court determined that 2A included an individuals right to defend himself through the use of a personal firearm. Changing that will be a Herculean task, even if a case gets to SCOTUS, as they’re loathe to change “settled law.” That means if one SCOTUS ruled in it one way, they will generally leave it alone.

However, just as you might find your argument compelling, so there are others that point to the specific plan gauge of 2A and complain it is ready being violated!

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

They complain numerous laws on the books DO INFRINGE on 2A, and they should be struck down by SCOTUS. However, one has to sue in lower court and work ones way up to get there, and that has not been achieved yet.

If the right to bear arms derives from pre-revolution English rights, then the idea that America was BORN this way, you have to wonder why the parent country doesn't have the same issues with guns.

It’s not me making it up, it’s what was written in the Federalist Papers that helped generate the laws. Back then, they wrote to each other discussing ideas regarding formulating ways of dealing with the issues of a country built on the idea of freedom from tyranny. Those letters and papers provide insight into the whys and wherefores of the new country, and how they were all still deeply scarred from the War of Independence and the perceived tyranny that came from absolute power. They wanted to make certain America could never experience that again, either at home or from abroad. It is all why there is a very series thing called “States Rights” in America, which basically creates 50 different countries within the Union.

Ask yourself the question and the answer will come to you.

HINT: Freedom & Monarchical Control

 

[SWP's back]

More deflection because you speed complete bullshit. So brave. oh look, going after CAPITAL LETTERS now, too! What next, Alitalia letters kill Hal the people on Internet forums?!

Look at that. In your speed to reply as fast as possible you’ve ended up making no sense whatsoever. I hope Hal keeps an eye for Alitalia, she sounds scary.

Never said it did or does, but a sophisticated perk like yourself schooled be able o recognize political theatre when they see it! The guy is the head of the Republican Party in Oklahoma ffs!

I’m aware what he is, I posted the tweet that states who he is. So does having pictures posing with guns make someone a violent criminal/wannabe gangster or not? Do you not see the point I was making to Bert, who has written him off as scum for posing with guns a record of having once sold some weed.

 

[Blue Maverick]

As has been said before, half the soccer moms in the US have Facebook pictures posing with firearms.

This is from yesterday:



Are they wannabe gangsters or are they too white?

Where’s Wally!

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Look at that. In your speed to reply as fast as possible you’ve ended up making no sense whatsoever. I hope Hal keeps an eye for Alitalia, she sounds scary.




I’m aware what he is, I posted the tweet that states who he is. So does having pictures posing with guns make someone a violent criminal/wannabe gangster or not? Do you not see the point I was making to Bert, who has written him off as scum for posing with guns a record of having once sold some weed.

Firstly, I have just bought a new iPad and the Otterbox protective screen cover feels so thick it misses about every third letter unless I punch it! I had to correct 5 words in that first sentence alone. Alitalia was capital and Hal was all, but that’s not important now.

The second point is one of intention and interrogation. Coupling the picture with the statement, which you did conflated two completely different things (the ridiculousness of the picture to anyone who didn’t understand it was “posed for politics“) and the “statistic” that multiplied the stupidity of the woman holding a gun she probably never shot nor knew how to shoot, as indicative of 50% of the Moms out there.

At this point I am only arguing with you because you won’t concede that the stat was BS, even if it was hyperbolic and designed for effect. This topic has waaaay too much hyperbole attached to it without one of the more reasonable and intelligent posters throwing gasoline on the fire. There will be enough of that in Minneapolis for both of us!

Im no quite sure why Brits get so outraged by American gun violence. Do they think their self-projected moral Perio rite will either change it or make them appear “better people”?

They don’t understand the culture, which is hard enough to understand even when you’ve even immersed in it for your whole adult life, yet seem to be their moral indignation can change it?! Strange.

They don’t understand American jurisprudence, yet spout about it incessantly on this very Forum, especially the hyper-woke SJWs who seem to know less about it than most, because their brains are clouded by anger and resentment at “the man!”

Its 3am here and I’m on vacation. I’ll be damned if I’m going to miss the morning swim, so that’s it for me for now. Enjoy your day. I know nothing is getting solved for the next 6 hours, at least! Then, this’ll all take a distant back seat to the match!

 

[KPXBLN]

Firstly, I have just bought a new iPad and the Otterbox protective screen cover feels so thick it misses about every third letter unless I punch it! I had to correct 5 words in that first sentence alone. Alitalia was capital and Hal was all, but that’s not important now.

The second point is one of intention and interrogation. Coupling the picture with the statement, which you did conflated two completely different things (the ridiculousness of the picture to anyone who didn’t understand it was “posed for politics“) and the “statistic” that multiplied the stupidity of the woman holding a gun she probably never shot nor knew how to shoot, as indicative of 50% of the Moms out there.

At this point I am only arguing with you because you won’t concede that the stat was BS, even if it was hyperbolic and designed for effect. This topic has waaaay too much hyperbole attached to it without one of the more reasonable and intelligent posters throwing gasoline on the fire. There will be enough of that in Minneapolis for both of us!

Im no quite sure why Brits get so outraged by American gun violence. Do they think their self-projected moral Perio rite will either change it or make them appear “better people”?

They don’t understand the culture, which is hard enough to understand even when you’ve even immersed in it for your whole adult life, yet seem to be their moral indignation can change it?! Strange.

They don’t understand American jurisprudence, yet spout about it incessantly on this very Forum, especially the hyper-woke SJWs who seem to know less about it than most, because their brains are clouded by anger and resentment at “the man!”

Its 3am here and I’m on vacation. I’ll be damned if I’m going to miss the morning swim, so that’s it for me for now. Enjoy your day. I know nothing is getting solved for the next 6 hours, at least! Then, this’ll all take a distant back seat to the match!

Enjoy your sleep, the swim and the match. But I would be interested to know later on what a "hyper woke SJW" is, and why it's apparently so bad to be one.

 

[bert38]

As has been said before, half the soccer moms in the US have Facebook pictures posing with firearms.

This is from yesterday:



Are they wannabe gangsters or are they too white?

that pic is actually sickening..what do you expect me to say?

 

[bert38]

The difference in the UK is that in dealing with an incident involving firearms, the police will attend with an armed unit.

When dealing with a traffic violation it will 9 times out of 10 be dealt with by an officer with a notebook and pen. And guess what... nobody gets shot.

And in the UK its incredibly unlikely the occupant of the car will be armed.

And as in the US, stopping a car, often single crewed is the most risky thing you can do.

Ged Walker, Andrew Harper to name two.

And I can assure you when firearms are mentioned in the job it is more often than not unarmed officers who first attend-armed with a taser (if they are lucky) and a stick.

In the US officers are much more likely to be killed by the occupants than the other way around.