George Floyd murder / Derek Chauvin guilty of murder

I see a lot of the police are phoning in sick in a protest about these cops getting charged

Can they be fired ?

Are they getting paid ?

Will it affect their pensions ?

Who is covering the streets. ?
 
To answer the first bolded it should at most represent a 1% increase in Police expenditure if done correctly. As a significant portion of the money would come from jettisoned bureaucratic waste already in existence on the force itself.

On the second bolded, I believe some municipalities spend up to 40% but that's a rarity and not an average or common.

"As a percentage of direct general expenditures, police spending has remained consistently at just under 4 percent for the past 40 years."

https://www.urban.org/policy-center...-and-corrections-expenditures#Question3Police

More money, generally don't get spent on the police. When you see anything over 15% (Often this is a sign of likely corruption or a unique circumstance that required a temporary increase. The average nationwide is slightly under 4%.

To bring it local, here in NY it's about 6.6%. 6 billion of a 92 billion budget. The Mayor against better advice is threatening to defund/Cut the Police fund. But deep down he know it's a bad idea. Hence why he's done a few about turns on the issue.

Unfortunately, because he is a politician and at the mercy of the mob, he has to pretend he is massively making cuts while in reality making as few as possible.

In reality, major cuts ( or defunding if the police) wouldn't serve the protestors, citizens or police well. But it might just satisfy the mob who are out for blood and want the Mayor to comply. He very well might to the detriment of all of us.


As it relates to being called for everything, I am quite sympathetic as even cops themselves don't care much for some of the calls they get and often complain it's outside there capabilities. But that reality, should not confuse us as to what the solution is, it's not to defund or take away funding from cops.

Now let me address the issue of diverting Police fund to other community service experts. I.e say social service expert for homelessness, addiction, or mental illness. What really ends up happening, or ought to happen is that the police has to in fact ride along as escortswescorts for the appropriate health expert who is equipped to best deal with the situation. Thus the police are doing what they are good at - providing security and maintaining order - while the expert deals with the actual situation that needs said expertise.

So in reality, the cost to the cops doesn't go down, at least not in any significant way, rather just an additional expense of responding with an expert is required.

So those costs will simply be an additional costs, albeit not one you can cut from the police's, as their service will still be required. Albeit in a surbodinate role..




On the contrary, "Militarizing of the police" as is often labelled, tends to be a a one-time bump to budgets every 4-5 years or so.. Rather than what's in there average budget you see an extra 1 percent or so bump for equipment. These types of bumps are never permanent.

For example this year, NYC is increasing and updating it's prisons systems. So there is a .5 percent bump in funding for Corrections Programs. That bump won't be there next year. And in years when the City decided to buy new weapon and technology to better equip it's cops there'd be a similar bump. That then disappear once that project is completed.

As for building community trust and rapport. Such a program if instituted, will have an initial cost associated with it.

Okay, now that I've tried to give the the above info as unbiasedly as I could, let me now inject some personal bias... As some who abhors governmental bloat, of course one can cut the 6 billion dollar police budget, we can fiind many areas of policing that can be streamlined. Even up to privatizing some of the work. We can cut down on the administrative bloat ( across the budget).

But the above view is also true if every other wasteful governmental program. Most of which produce less than 20 cent of benefits for every dollar spent.

Any goody 2 shoe physical conservative can cut almost any budget in half and lose out on less than 10% of necessary functions. But, as a Politician, doing that will get you out of office quicker than a virgin's sperm..

However, it's also worth noting that of all government programs, the Police often gives the best bang for a buck. With police some study show between 30-40% value on every dollar spent. With a lot of these other programs they barely give you 20% of value for every dollar spent.

Granted, I'm no economist and don't fully understand what that means, but at a base level it's better to get 30-50% of what you purchased than it is to get 10-20%.

Anyhoo, this is getting too long. But yeah, I generally won't support defunding the police. Nor do I think Militaristic Police is as much of an issue. But I can discuss that point separately.

It would be interesting to see how the US police budgets compare to other countries. The UK, Germany, France, Italy, Canada etc.

That's the easiest way to look at the defunding the police argument.

If they're spending 2x as much per capita on policing, then clearly they don't need or deserve the money, and it should be diverted to social work, medical care and stuff that reduces crime from happening in the first place.

If their spending is roughly similar per capita to the other developed western countries, then it's not the amount of money, but how it's being spent.
 
I see a lot of the police are phoning in sick in a protest about these cops getting charged

Can they be fired ?

Are they getting paid ?

Will it affect their pensions ?

Who is covering the streets. ?

They can legally be fired, but won't.

They will be paid.

It won't effect their pensions.

Officers from other precincts/out of town/state police.
 
This is why there is friction between the Police and Black Americans............this simply would not happen to a white driver


Yup, this is a terrible stop and cops like this ought to be severely punished.

Even his tone, suggest he knew he was wrong. Asking unrelated questions are a dead giveaway.

Bodycam turned on on every cop before starting an interaction with a member of the public is one of those measures i am whole heartedly in support of.

Not only should you turn on your bodycam but you should announce to the member of public that you have done so for the protection if both yourself and the public.
 
It would be interesting to see how the US police budgets compare to other countries. The UK, Germany, France, Italy, Canada etc.

That's the easiest way to look at the defunding the police argument.

If they're spending 2x as much per capita on policing, then clearly they don't need or deserve the money, and it should be diverted to social work, medical care and stuff that reduces crime from happening in the first place.

If their spending is roughly similar per capita to the other developed western countries, then it's not the amount of money, but how it's being spent.
I suppose that would be an interesting study. Id assume the US is generally higher.

But whoever does the study would have to account for the higher levels of gun ownership in the States and do a comparison of the effectiveness of each countries ability to reduce crime overtime.

That's a study is like to see. Hmmmm.... You've just given me an idea.
 
They can legally be fired, but won't.

They will be paid.

It won't effect their pensions.

Officers from other precincts/out of town/state police.
Surely then won't pay them after a few days off,isn't that the only punishment they can give them for leaving their positions
 
It would be interesting to see how the US police budgets compare to other countries. The UK, Germany, France, Italy, Canada etc.

That's the easiest way to look at the defunding the police argument.

If they're spending 2x as much per capita on policing, then clearly they don't need or deserve the money, and it should be diverted to social work, medical care and stuff that reduces crime from happening in the first place.

If their spending is roughly similar per capita to the other developed western countries, then it's not the amount of money, but how it's being spent.
Are you suggesting the US Police don’t need armoured cars and tanks in every precinct?

This one’s in a town with a population of 10,000

 

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