George Floyd murder / Derek Chauvin guilty of murder

Bigga said:
What utter drivel!

Whilst most Blacks kill Blacks, did you know that most Whites kill Whites, most Hispanics kill Hispanics and Chinese kill Chinese??

Most logical people call this phenomenon... *looks at notes*... "crime".

One learns something new everyday! Who knew...?
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The point the poster made was that White people where he stayed lived in fear of black people killing them... To which I responded, no they mostly kill other black people. Thus, the irrational belief he had was, you know, irrational.

That said, to use the people from the same race kill each other Liberal Whites retort is dissapointing.

In America as a whole we represent 13% of the population. Yet between 48-52@% of all homicide deaths are against black people on a yearly basis.

The #1 killer amongst black men ages 15-35 is homicide. So when I'm talking about what ails the community your intellectual word play is duly noted. But fatally unhelpful.

So when I talk about the new type of White folks who love black people so much they'd rather see more of them die than examine reality. It is comments like yours above that I'm talking about.

Of course, it's crime. But it's particularly virulent in one community. And those who suffer the consequences are also from that community.

So forgive me when I don't take opinions of those who don't have skin in the game as seriously.

Like I told the other poster. Start with the Book: Stop Helping US... Then we can discuss our disagreement (which I'm sure there are many ) on the basis of facts and not emotional string pulling and verbal slight of hand.
 
Silva_Spell said:
Why?

How would you describe a shooting like this?
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In relation to the incident I was referencing a young man was running away. Easier to kill the fucker rather than let him go eh?. Regarding your other video, well that has precisely zero relevance to the incident we were both originally referring to.
Good for you that you think bullets are the best answer. There was a video posted a while ago when a sword wielding "madman" was apprehended peacefully by British police. It's really not rocket science.
 
DrBlueBob said:
In relation to the incident I was referencing a young man was running away. Easier to kill the fucker rather than let him go eh?. Regarding your other video, well that has precisely zero relevance to the incident we were both originally referring to.
Good for you that you think bullets are the best answer. There was a video posted a while ago when a sword wielding "madman" was apprehended peacefully by British police. It's really not rocket science.
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You said you had a problem with a term ("justified shooting"). That's not a reference to any individual incident. (and Brown was NOT running away)

Don't avoid the question. Was she justified in shooting that man?
 
Silva_Spell said:
You said you had a problem with a term ("justified shooting"). That's not a reference to any individual incident. (and Brown was NOT running away)

Don't avoid the question. Was she justified in shooting that man?
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Almost certainly not. Was her life in danger? Why was her life in danger? Too much emphasis on compliance or death. If you can't see that using your weapon is a last resort then I can't help you. Here's a question for you. Did he need to be shot? Life is fucking sacresanct and yet it appears that it is worthless if that is the easier option.
To fully answer your question, obviously there are justified shootings but in many many instances. especially in the Good Old U of SA it is an excuse. Ooh! I felt out of my depth and because I have a badge I can "justifiably" take another human beings life. It kind of helps if you are empowered by your superiors.
Q for you. Do you feel that in many if not most cases of the type we are discussing it would be possible for a non fatal resolution?
 
Silva_Spell said:
Why?

How would you describe a shooting like this?
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Excessive. I'd first wonder why no Taser? Second question that comes to mind is why so many shots - in the security cam coverage he clearly falters and groans and she discharges another 7 or 8 rounds. Finally how many bullets missed him (even from that range ) - in a residential area firing about 20 rounds is just asking to hit bystanders.

In terms of the guy himself clearly gone postal stabbing a 70 odd year old in a shop over a face mask - just shows how the politicisation of everything in America is so harmful. I know the NRA answer to this would be she didn't need that pistol to stop him, maybe a shotgun or assault rifle is what was needed.............
 
DrBlueBob said:
Almost certainly not. Was her life in danger? Why was her life in danger? Too much emphasis on compliance or death. If you can't see that using your weapon is a last resort then I can't help you. Here's a question for you. Did he need to be shot? Life is fucking sacresanct and yet it appears that it is worthless if that is the easier option.
To fully answer your question, obviously there are justified shootings but in many many instances. especially in the Good Old U of SA it is an excuse. Ooh! I felt out of my depth and because I have a badge I can "justifiably" take another human beings life. It kind of helps if you are empowered by your superiors.
Q for you. Do you feel that in many if not most cases of the type we are discussing it would be possible for a non fatal resolution?
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You don't think her life was in danger? Wow!!! A man who has already stabbed a 77 year-old man and was charging at her with a knife in his hand.

And you think her life wasn't in danger?

Damn! Here I was thinking bodycam would be a key in breaking these myths.

But damn! It seems nothing can shake the views some want to hold. Not even video evidence. :(
 
bluethrunthru said:
Excessive. I'd first wonder why no Taser? Second question that comes to mind is why so many shots - in the security cam coverage he clearly falters and groans and she discharges another 7 or 8 rounds. Finally how many bullets missed him (even from that range ) - in a residential area firing about 20 rounds is just asking to hit bystanders.

In terms of the guy himself clearly gone postal stabbing a 70 odd year old in a shop over a face mask - just shows how the politicisation of everything in America is so harmful. I know the NRA answer to this would be she didn't need that pistol to stop him, maybe a shotgun or assault rifle is what was needed.............
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I'll give you the danger to bystanders point. But if a man known to have already stabbed a 77 year-old charges at me with a knife, I'm shooting until he is flat on the ground.
 
DrBlueBob said:
Almost certainly not. Was her life in danger? Why was her life in danger? Too much emphasis on compliance or death. If you can't see that using your weapon is a last resort then I can't help you. Here's a question for you. Did he need to be shot? Life is fucking sacresanct and yet it appears that it is worthless if that is the easier option.
To fully answer your question, obviously there are justified shootings but in many many instances. especially in the Good Old U of SA it is an excuse. Ooh! I felt out of my depth and because I have a badge I can "justifiably" take another human beings life. It kind of helps if you are empowered by your superiors.
Q for you. Do you feel that in many if not most cases of the type we are discussing it would be possible for a non fatal resolution?
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Not? are you serious? Of course her life was in danger. Life is sacrosanct, right but not if you're a cop, if you're a cop you've got to let the nice knife wielding man lunging at you, having already stabbed some poor guy over a mask and been told to drop the weapons, get within murder range and just hope that some last ditch extra soothing words or your perfume changes his mind in milliseconds, I guess.

Would have to go case by case but justified shooting are typically justified because the cop's (or a 3rd party's) life is in actual or justifiably perceived danger. If your life is in danger it's not on you to take the risk of a non fatal resolution.
 
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Dax777 said:
You don't think her life was in danger? Wow!!! A man who has already stabbed a 77 year-old man and was charging at her with a knife in his hand.

And you think her life wasn't in danger?

Damn! Here I was thinking bodycam would be a key in breaking these myths.

But damn! It seems nothing can shake the views some want to hold. Not even video evidence. :(
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Off to eat my lovely coq au vin. I'll leave you to ponder why her life was in danger then maybe we can have a discussion later. Seriously Dax. Work out why she was in danger.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Excessive. I'd first wonder why no Taser? Second question that comes to mind is why so many shots - in the security cam coverage he clearly falters and groans and she discharges another 7 or 8 rounds. Finally how many bullets missed him (even from that range ) - in a residential area firing about 20 rounds is just asking to hit bystanders.

In terms of the guy himself clearly gone postal stabbing a 70 odd year old in a shop over a face mask - just shows how the politicisation of everything in America is so harmful. I know the NRA answer to this would be she didn't need that pistol to stop him, maybe a shotgun or assault rifle is what was needed.............
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If she had gone with the taser she'd probably be dead now. People walk through tasers all the time and this guy walked through 1 or more bullets
 
Silva_Spell said:
If she had gone with the taser she'd probably be dead now. People walk through tasers all the time and this guy walked through 1 or more bullets
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so deadly force is the 1st option?

In the UK one of the things said to dissuade young lads from carrying knives is that if you carry one it will end up being used. Same with guns. If your cop is armed they will shoot and kill people. Citizens of the US are happy with some strange practises.
 
bluethrunthru said:
so deadly force is the 1st option?

In the UK one of the things said to dissuade young lads from carrying knives is that if you carry one it will end up being used. Same with guns. If your cop is armed they will shoot and kill people. Citizens of the US are happy with some strange practises.
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The first option was to order him to drop the weapons, which she did. I guess she could have then fled and hope he a) doesn't chase her or b) stab someone else. What do you think she should have done?

I think this bloke already had the intention of using the knives. I don't think disarming cops in a country where guns are a right would be a good idea. We have armed police in the UK for when nutters are running around with weapons.
 
Silva_Spell said:
The first option was to order him to drop the weapons, which she did. I guess she could have then fled and hope he a) doesn't chase her or b) stab someone else. What do you think she should have done?

I think this bloke already had the intention of using the knives. I don't think disarming cops in a country where guns are a right would be a good idea. We have armed police in the UK for when nutters are running around with weapons.
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The UK Police regularly disarm and arrest armed villains without feeling the need to kill them in the process.
 
bluethrunthru said:
The UK Police regularly disarm and arrest armed villains without feeling the need to kill them in the process.
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Given a stabbing had already occurred they'd have probably called in armed police here

Anyway, probably shouldn't have posted that vid as it has derailed the thread.
For anyone who wants to understand what actually happened in the Michael Brown case they can read this from Obama's DOJ (first 8 pages / pages 7/8 summarises things) https://www.justice.gov/sites/defau...doj_report_on_shooting_of_michael_brown_1.pdf
  • Brown attacked Officer Wilson through car window and tried to grab the gun
  • Wilson fired the gun from the hip area twice, hitting the car door interior and Brown's hand
  • Brown had gun residue and a burn on his hand showing that his hand was very close to gun when it was discharged
  • Brown fled 180ft leaving a blood trail, Wilson pursued
  • Brown turned around and charged Wilson, blood trail proves this, resulting in further shots and his death
  • Witnesses (of both races - if that's important to you) corroborated the above
After death threats concerning his child, Wilson is in hiding because the media would rather stoke up anger than inform
 
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