Giudetti

[The Fat el Hombre]

it doesnt give the acadmemy kids much hope if he isnt given a chance and is sold.

Inclined to agree, especially if he's sacrificed for an overpaid crock (RVP) or an ageing mercenary (Ibra)

 

[Anonymous]

it doesnt give the acadmemy kids much hope if he isnt given a chance and is sold.

I don't think it would have a negative effect at all.

Kids will feel lucky to attend the best and most advanced youth academy there is, and when they see players such as Guidetti making it, I don't think it matters where he ends up, as long as he turns pro and make a lot of money.

There might be a very few, who will feel unconditionally loyal to Manchester City, and kudos to them and all, but chances are they will have a future somewhere else than here with us.

The academy is a school, the best there is, so any young kid who dreams of becoming a pro who has supportive families will die to get in there.

It's a good business model as well, we keep the very very few who turns out be be good enough for us, and we sell those who don't quite make it for a decent amount.

the thing is though he is good enough for us. Its all well and good saying the academey is an international thing to make players pro, but the main aim of it is to produce players that end up in our team. Hes gonna end up probably being one of the best strikers in europe scoring for other competing teams, ofcourse it matters were gonna lose one of the best youth players in europe right now.

 

[bluemoondays]

it doesnt give the acadmemy kids much hope if he isnt given a chance and is sold.

Inclined to agree, especially if he's sacrificed for an overpaid crock (RVP) or an ageing mercenary (Ibra)

Agreed also. What sort of message does it send to the academy players that you can represent your country at senior level, be one of the top goal scorers on loan to a decent league and yet you won't even get runs out for city and we'll be happy just to sell you on.

Guidetti has scored for fun at every level he has played at, for him not to get a chance in our side for a season would just be saying to all the academy players that "you might as well not bother as we'll never promote academy players, we'll just buy in world superstars for every position including backups."

It's a different matter when you've gone out on loan to a championship (or lower) side and only just managed to do 'OK'. There's an argument there that if you're not showing real class (even if young) playing at a sub-PL level then you probably aren't going to be good enough for City's squad. The bar for the academy is now so high that unless the loaned youngsters demonstrate real european/PL potential whilst on loan they will, unfortunately for them, be sold on. They need to be forcing their way into 1st team squads over established pro's whilst on loan.

I wonder how many of Barca/Real Madrid youngsters end up elsewhere, that's the fact of what it takes to make the City squad from the academy nowadays.

 

[Neville Kneville]

it doesnt give the acadmemy kids much hope if he isnt given a chance and is sold.

I don't think it would have a negative effect at all.

Kids will feel lucky to attend the best and most advanced youth academy there is, and when they see players such as Guidetti making it, I don't think it matters where he ends up, as long as he turns pro and make a lot of money.

There might be a very few, who will feel unconditionally loyal to Manchester City, and kudos to them and all, but chances are they will have a future somewhere else than here with us.

The academy is a school, the best there is, so any young kid who dreams of becoming a pro who has supportive families will die to get in there.

It's a good business model as well, we keep the very very few who turns out be be good enough for us, and we sell those who don't quite make it for a decent amount.

the thing is though he is good enough for us. Its all well and good saying the academey is an international thing to make players pro, but the main aim of it is to produce players that end up in our team. Hes gonna end up probably being one of the best strikers in europe scoring for other competing teams, ofcourse it matters were gonna lose one of the best youth players in europe right now.

You don't know for sure that he is good enough for us or that he's going to be one of the best strikers in Europe. That is a crazy statement to make. There is nothing Guidetti has done in his career to prove anyhing like that.

He looks like someone who MAY stand a chance of being a quality striker. He now needs to continue that form & improve on it. At the moment, he is nowhere near as good as any of our 4 strikers.

If Mancini thinks he is capable of reaching anything like the standard you are suggesting, he will fight tooth & nail to keep him at the club, probably loan him out for another season, then bring him back & play him. We have heard Mancini's views on letting Sturridge go. He won't do the same thing with a player who is better.

Imo, Guidetti may fall short of Premier League standard, but he is a hard working lad, so could improve his abilities to make up for the lack of pace which is his biggest weakness.

 

[NipHolmes]

I don't think it would have a negative effect at all.

Kids will feel lucky to attend the best and most advanced youth academy there is, and when they see players such as Guidetti making it, I don't think it matters where he ends up, as long as he turns pro and make a lot of money.

There might be a very few, who will feel unconditionally loyal to Manchester City, and kudos to them and all, but chances are they will have a future somewhere else than here with us.

The academy is a school, the best there is, so any young kid who dreams of becoming a pro who has supportive families will die to get in there.

It's a good business model as well, we keep the very very few who turns out be be good enough for us, and we sell those who don't quite make it for a decent amount.

the thing is though he is good enough for us. Its all well and good saying the academey is an international thing to make players pro, but the main aim of it is to produce players that end up in our team. Hes gonna end up probably being one of the best strikers in europe scoring for other competing teams, ofcourse it matters were gonna lose one of the best youth players in europe right now.

You don't know for sure that he is good enough for us or that he's going to be one of the best strikers in Europe. That is a crazy statement to make. There is nothing Guidetti has done in his career to prove anyhing like that.

He looks like someone who MAY stand a chance of being a quality striker. He now needs to continue that form & improve on it. At the moment, he is nowhere near as good as any of our 4 strikers.

If Mancini thinks he is capable of reaching anything like the standard you are suggesting, he will fight tooth & nail to keep him at the club, probably loan him out for another season, then bring him back & play him. We have heard Mancini's views on letting Sturridge go. He won't do the same thing with a player who is better.

Imo, Guidetti may fall short of Premier League standard, but he is a hard working lad, so could improve his abilities to make up for the lack of pace which is his biggest weakness.

I think his stats artifically hype him. How many of those 20 were pens?

Afonso Alves hit something risiculous like 38 in 34 or something crazy and was fucking atrocious for Middlesborough.

Babel was a world beater at Ajax as was Huntelaar.

If we get £10mill for him I'd be happy, it woudl be nice to see how he gets on for us but if he's injury prone likely and arrogant then cashing in sounds good.

 

[Rammyblues]

I don't think it would have a negative effect at all.

Kids will feel lucky to attend the best and most advanced youth academy there is, and when they see players such as Guidetti making it, I don't think it matters where he ends up, as long as he turns pro and make a lot of money.

There might be a very few, who will feel unconditionally loyal to Manchester City, and kudos to them and all, but chances are they will have a future somewhere else than here with us.

The academy is a school, the best there is, so any young kid who dreams of becoming a pro who has supportive families will die to get in there.

It's a good business model as well, we keep the very very few who turns out be be good enough for us, and we sell those who don't quite make it for a decent amount.

I agree, I read somewhere that the academies main purpose were to secure futures in football for the players who attend them and if not find alternative employment. First and foremost City will have the pick of the bunch so to speak but because we have raised the bar so high it will be the exception rather than the rule they will go in the first team squad. But sucess I believe is that Guidetti and his fellow academy players who don't make the grade at City have a wonderful life playing professional footbal for another club. I wish him well wherever he ends up.

 

[Neville Kneville]

the thing is though he is good enough for us. Its all well and good saying the academey is an international thing to make players pro, but the main aim of it is to produce players that end up in our team. Hes gonna end up probably being one of the best strikers in europe scoring for other competing teams, ofcourse it matters were gonna lose one of the best youth players in europe right now.

You don't know for sure that he is good enough for us or that he's going to be one of the best strikers in Europe. That is a crazy statement to make. There is nothing Guidetti has done in his career to prove anyhing like that.

He looks like someone who MAY stand a chance of being a quality striker. He now needs to continue that form & improve on it. At the moment, he is nowhere near as good as any of our 4 strikers.

If Mancini thinks he is capable of reaching anything like the standard you are suggesting, he will fight tooth & nail to keep him at the club, probably loan him out for another season, then bring him back & play him. We have heard Mancini's views on letting Sturridge go. He won't do the same thing with a player who is better.

Imo, Guidetti may fall short of Premier League standard, but he is a hard working lad, so could improve his abilities to make up for the lack of pace which is his biggest weakness.

I think his stats artifically hype him. How many of those 20 were pens?

Afonso Alves hit something risiculous like 38 in 34 or something crazy and was fucking atrocious for Middlesborough.

Babel was a world beater at Ajax as was Huntelaar.

If we get £10mill for him I'd be happy, it woudl be nice to see how he gets on for us but if he's injury prone likely and arrogant then cashing in sounds good.

The best thing about Guidetti imo is his absolute desire to improve & to be a top striker. He works on it all the time.

If you have a reasonable amount of talent & an attitude like that, you have a chance. Whether that can get him a job at a club like City though, is another question, but we've seen Zabba go from an average to a top player because of his sheer will to improve.

I'll trust Mancini, Kiddo etc to make that judgement.

 

[BringBackSwales]

it doesnt give the acadmemy kids much hope if he isnt given a chance and is sold.

I don't think it would have a negative effect at all.

Kids will feel lucky to attend the best and most advanced youth academy there is, and when they see players such as Guidetti making it, I don't think it matters where he ends up, as long as he turns pro and make a lot of money.

There might be a very few, who will feel unconditionally loyal to Manchester City, and kudos to them and all, but chances are they will have a future somewhere else than here with us.

The academy is a school, the best there is, so any young kid who dreams of becoming a pro who has supportive families will die to get in there.

It's a good business model as well, we keep the very very few who turns out be be good enough for us, and we sell those who don't quite make it for a decent amount.

the thing is though he is good enough for us. Its all well and good saying the academey is an international thing to make players pro, but the main aim of it is to produce players that end up in our team. Hes gonna end up probably being one of the best strikers in europe scoring for other competing teams, ofcourse it matters were gonna lose one of the best youth players in europe right now.

I agree that it is nice to have kids coming through te academy, but they do have to be good enough, and I am not sure on what basis you can crediby claim that he is probably going to be one of the best strikers in Europe? How many full matches have you actually seen him play? Not forgetting that scoring lots of goals in the Dutch league is something which in recent times the likes of Samares and Alves (went to Boro) have done

 

[Joehannes]

I don't think it would have a negative effect at all.

Kids will feel lucky to attend the best and most advanced youth academy there is, and when they see players such as Guidetti making it, I don't think it matters where he ends up, as long as he turns pro and make a lot of money.

There might be a very few, who will feel unconditionally loyal to Manchester City, and kudos to them and all, but chances are they will have a future somewhere else than here with us.

The academy is a school, the best there is, so any young kid who dreams of becoming a pro who has supportive families will die to get in there.

It's a good business model as well, we keep the very very few who turns out be be good enough for us, and we sell those who don't quite make it for a decent amount.

the thing is though he is good enough for us. Its all well and good saying the academey is an international thing to make players pro, but the main aim of it is to produce players that end up in our team. Hes gonna end up probably being one of the best strikers in europe scoring for other competing teams, ofcourse it matters were gonna lose one of the best youth players in europe right now.

I agree that it is nice to have kids coming through te academy, but they do have to be good enough, and I am not sure on what basis you can crediby claim that he is probably going to be one of the best strikers in Europe? How many full matches have you actually seen him play? Not forgetting that scoring lots of goals in the Dutch league is something which in recent times the likes of Samares and Alves (went to Boro) have done

Feyenoord were on ESPN every other week last season, some of his performances were exceptional, not least Ajax at home, Vitesse at home and Waalwijk away. He can definitely make the jump to become the main man for certain premier league clubs on loan next season, or alternatively, he's good enough to be our fourth choice striker should Dzeko leave and Tevez is sold. He shows all the qualities to become a top striker in 90% of his performances; links up the play well, good dribbler, strong, great awareness, excellent finisher etc..

 

[Neville Kneville]

the thing is though he is good enough for us. Its all well and good saying the academey is an international thing to make players pro, but the main aim of it is to produce players that end up in our team. Hes gonna end up probably being one of the best strikers in europe scoring for other competing teams, ofcourse it matters were gonna lose one of the best youth players in europe right now.

I agree that it is nice to have kids coming through te academy, but they do have to be good enough, and I am not sure on what basis you can crediby claim that he is probably going to be one of the best strikers in Europe? How many full matches have you actually seen him play? Not forgetting that scoring lots of goals in the Dutch league is something which in recent times the likes of Samares and Alves (went to Boro) have done

Feyenoord were on ESPN every other week last season, some of his performances were exceptional, not least Ajax at home, Vitesse at home and Waalwijk away. He can definitely make the jump to become the main man for certain premier league clubs on loan next season, or alternatively, he's good enough to be our fourth choice striker should Dzeko leave and Tevez is sold. He shows all the qualities to become a top striker in 90% of his performances; links up the play well, good dribbler, strong, great awareness, excellent finisher etc..

I saw plenty of those games & whilst he did very very well, he didn't look anywhere even close to the level of our strikers. Dzeko would score 70 goals v those defences. If we want 4 strikers of equal level then he's not good enough. If we're happy to have 3 plus a wild card, then he could get a shirt.

I think another loan move at a higher level is what he needs. Then we can decide.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Is Guidetti back at City now btw or still ill or just absent ?

Pre season would be the ideal time to have a look at him. If he was exceptional, then he could be fast tracked into the squad. If, as I suspect, he does quite well but not special, he could go out on loan again.

 

[Rushton121]

Makes no sense to be playing a youngster just for the sake of "giving youth a chance" when we have world class talent available.

More than happy for him to stay and either play a bit part in the season or go out on loan to a prem/ championship team, but would also be happy if we can manage to get 7+ mil for him.

 

[Joehannes]

Ultimately, Id like to see him get a loan move to a premier league team, but the (well-documented) problem then is that he'll only have a year left on his contract come next summer, after possibly having performed very well throughout the course of next season, on the other hand possibly not. Just my opinion, but I think it'll be the former

 

[swedishGuidettifan]

Is Guidetti back at City now btw or still ill or just absent ?

Pre season would be the ideal time to have a look at him. If he was exceptional, then he could be fast tracked into the squad. If, as I suspect, he does quite well but not special, he could go out on loan again.

Yes he is back now with City but he have been injured for 3 months so I dont think he will reach full potential during the pre season.


In Sweden we got a radio program called summertalkers normally its famous people talking about their career in music movie sport etc. As one of the youngest John Guidetti was on this program last week talking about his life for 1,5h hour. And he was talking about his dreams about becoming the best in the world. He thinks very high of himself and is ready to put everything he can to get there. His father who is very proud of him as a parent but as his trainer he says its not good enough we have to increase training and work harder.

You know when Feyenoord had training once a day John was training 2 more times that day so he is abit like Ronaldo everything in his head is about football tho he dont care about his body the way Ronaldo does. But for sure he lacks abit pace becourse hes abit big. But im sure he will work on that alot.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Is Guidetti back at City now btw or still ill or just absent ?

Pre season would be the ideal time to have a look at him. If he was exceptional, then he could be fast tracked into the squad. If, as I suspect, he does quite well but not special, he could go out on loan again.

Yes he is back now with City but he have been injured for 3 months so I dont think he will reach full potential during the pre season.


In Sweden we got a radio program called summertalkers normally its famous people talking about their career in music movie sport etc. As one of the youngest John Guidetti was on this program last week talking about his life for 1,5h hour. And he was talking about his dreams about becoming the best in the world. He thinks very high of himself and is ready to put everything he can to get there. His father who is very proud of him as a parent but as his trainer he says its not good enough we have to increase training and work harder.

You know when Feyenoord had training once a day John was training 2 more times that day so he is abit like Ronaldo everything in his head is about football tho he dont care about his body the way Ronaldo does. But for sure he lacks abit pace becourse hes abit big. But im sure he will work on that alot.

Cheers.

He does seem like somone who is willing to work on his faults & keen to improve. It will be difficult for him to break into City's squad if he's not fit for pre season though.

 

[blutomato42]

I do rate him, but against the League of Ireland team at the DSC last year he didn't strike me as the wisest footballer ever. He was always trying to get it in the top corner or rushing it and neither worked, and this is against crap players and James McLean. I reckon he'll have improved a lot at Feyenoord.

Imagine this strike force next season: Agüero, Balotelli, van Persie, Guidetti. Potential to get 80 goals between them. My mouths watering.

 

[Rocket-footed kolarov]

Is Guidetti back at City now btw or still ill or just absent ?

Pre season would be the ideal time to have a look at him. If he was exceptional, then he could be fast tracked into the squad. If, as I suspect, he does quite well but not special, he could go out on loan again.

Yes he is back now with City but he have been injured for 3 months so I dont think he will reach full potential during the pre season.


In Sweden we got a radio program called summertalkers normally its famous people talking about their career in music movie sport etc. As one of the youngest John Guidetti was on this program last week talking about his life for 1,5h hour. And he was talking about his dreams about becoming the best in the world. He thinks very high of himself and is ready to put everything he can to get there. His father who is very proud of him as a parent but as his trainer he says its not good enough we have to increase training and work harder.

You know when Feyenoord had training once a day John was training 2 more times that day so he is abit like Ronaldo everything in his head is about football tho he dont care about his body the way Ronaldo does. But for sure he lacks abit pace becourse hes abit big. But im sure he will work on that alot.

Cheers.

He does seem like somone who is willing to work on his faults & keen to improve. It will be difficult for him to break into City's squad if he's not fit for pre season though.

I hope he does well and improves his game, I have n't seen much of him however if he is as I suspect a front-to-goal finisher or box-player then I don't see him ever succeeding here, even if he took his game to the level of Gomez; It is hard enough for a more all-round player like Dzeko at the moment and a lack of pace is n't encouraging as if we are to operate with a striker of that ilk they will need to be able to run in behind.

 

[sergiokun]

He needs to go out on loan to a team in the league

 

[blutomato42]

He needs to go out on loan to a team in the league

The thing is if you loan him out to say Swansea, he's not at such a good club as he was last season. And we can't loan him to a top team here for obvious reasons. So where's he gonna go? Sunderland? Admittedly it worked for Welbeck, but they'ye different players. I'd loan him to say Valencia or Athletico Madrid in Spain, or Lazio or Napoli or Roma in Italy. Can't loan him to Germany cos he'll end up like Džeko.

I'd rather keep him and play him anyway. He's says he wants to leave permanently if he isn't given a chance this season. When does his contract end?

 

[Rocket-footed kolarov]

He needs to go out on loan to a team in the league

The thing is if you loan him out to say Swansea, he's not at such a good club as he was last season. And we can't loan him to a top team here for obvious reasons. So where's he gonna go? Sunderland? Admittedly it worked for Welbeck, but they'ye different players. I'd loan him to say Valencia or Athletico Madrid in Spain, or Lazio or Napoli or Roma in Italy. Can't loan him to Germany cos he'll end up like Džeko.

I'd rather keep him and play him anyway. He's says he wants to leave permanently if he isn't given a chance this season. When does his contract end?

Perhaps it will make him a better player if we send him to Spain or Italy, he will developer better technically there any way and I think if we sen't him to Germany he would end up as a pure 9 where as if he went to Spain or Italy he could develop into a 9 and half and be more involved in build up play, although I think Dzeko is n't really a pure 9 anyway as he is capable of providing intelligent assists and works hard in buid up play. The problem is though which club to loan him to Valencia and Atletico already have big stikers who will we difficult to displace, I would go with Udinese If they win their play off they will have champions league football and they have finished 4th and 3rd in the last 2 seasons, they have Di Natale but other wise their forward line is pretty poor and although they may be looking develop their own players I think they will take him on loan if it gives them a good chance of higher league finish, CL and more cash.