Given issues ultimatum to Mancini

We dont have the time to be messing about with an inexperienced goalkeeper this season.
Hart needs to sit tight, learn, take his game time when he can and most of those for me should be the earlier stages of cup matches.

Given has done his time and is our snr keeper, hart should respect that.

I fully expect Given to be between the sticks come Saturday.
 
IrishMacca said:
sweep said:
Of course he'll respect the manager's decision, he's under contract. The wording might have been very slightly more diplomatic but, spin it any way you like, he's saying exactly the same as you've been slagging Hart off for the last few weeks yet you defend him purely because he's Irish.

For me, there's nothing between them in terms of ability right now and while Hart has years of development ahead of him, Given isn't going to get any better and has had a nasty, and likely recurrent, injury. If I had to choose, Hart wins.

Hart has constantly moaned to the press, Given answered it, but made the point that he genuinely wants to stay and fight, Hart doesn't sound as commited.
Of course he'll respect the decision..nothing to do with his contract, players like Tevez, like Robinho..etc didn't respect their managers decisions, fuck it there's a list as long as England filled with brat type players that didn't respect the managers decisions. Contract or no contract.

And don't talk to me about saying it because he's Irish, half of ye all want Hart to start purely because he's young and English, not because he's better. The amount of posts I've read that say Given's good, nothing between them, but Hart's the future and should start. Or something to that tone.

And all these so called expert doctors opinons are different to the actual specialists themselves. The reason surgery was done on Given's shoulder was to stop it from happening again, something that has been very succesfull in the past, especially with the likes of rugby players, the likes of Brian O Driscoll got an awful dislocation after being dumped on his head in 05, had surgery on it and took much longer to recover than Given, and has no problem with it since. It sounds to me that some people are genuinely hopefull that the injury is worse than it is.
Keepers are Hart's age are very suspect, keepers at Given's age are top of their game or nearing it.

Look at the likes of United and Van Der Sar, he's 39, and they've had him as their number one for years, they could have gone for a youngster with potential, like they tried with Foster, but as always they don't do so well and are moved on. They could, to an extent have anyone, and the likes of Van Der Sar have beaten off the young English promises that have been the likes of Foster. You don't go and buy promising young keepers if you're looking for one to join a top 4 (or aiming for) team, you go and buy an old enough keeper, there's a reason for that.


Have to disagree with that, Hart has never 'moaned constantly to the press' thats b*llshit. He's a young chap thats to good to be sitting on the bench with us. He proved how good he was at Birmingham voted best keeper in th league last season and rightly so. In my opinion Hart never did anything wrong to get dropped at City in the first place, He should be our number 1. The only way to improve him is to give him games.
 
Given said: 'To discuss now would be a little disrespectful to the goalkeepers they have already. Arsenal are a fantastic club, it's just too soon.'
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I think he's just putting pressure on Mancini, cant see City selling him to Arsenal even if he put in transfer request....that would be just stupid
 
kiiiki said:
Given said: 'To discuss now would be a little disrespectful to the goalkeepers they have already. Arsenal are a fantastic club, it's just too soon.'
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I think he's just putting pressure on Mancini, cant see City selling him to Arsenal even if he put in transfer request....that would be just stupid


Giving the club an ultimatum (sort of) is a no-no.
If he did in fact say that then, bye.
 
IrishMacca said:
sweep said:
Of course he'll respect the manager's decision, he's under contract. The wording might have been very slightly more diplomatic but, spin it any way you like, he's saying exactly the same as you've been slagging Hart off for the last few weeks yet you defend him purely because he's Irish.

For me, there's nothing between them in terms of ability right now and while Hart has years of development ahead of him, Given isn't going to get any better and has had a nasty, and likely recurrent, injury. If I had to choose, Hart wins.

Hart has constantly moaned to the press, Given answered it, but made the point that he genuinely wants to stay and fight, Hart doesn't sound as commited.
Of course he'll respect the decision..nothing to do with his contract, players like Tevez, like Robinho..etc didn't respect their managers decisions, fuck it there's a list as long as England filled with brat type players that didn't respect the managers decisions. Contract or no contract.

And don't talk to me about saying it because he's Irish, half of ye all want Hart to start purely because he's young and English, not because he's better. The amount of posts I've read that say Given's good, nothing between them, but Hart's the future and should start. Or something to that tone.

And all these so called expert doctors opinons are different to the actual specialists themselves. The reason surgery was done on Given's shoulder was to stop it from happening again, something that has been very succesfull in the past, especially with the likes of rugby players, the likes of Brian O Driscoll got an awful dislocation after being dumped on his head in 05, had surgery on it and took much longer to recover than Given, and has no problem with it since. It sounds to me that some people are genuinely hopefull that the injury is worse than it is.
Keepers are Hart's age are very suspect, keepers at Given's age are top of their game or nearing it.

Look at the likes of United and Van Der Sar, he's 39, and they've had him as their number one for years, they could have gone for a youngster with potential, like they tried with Foster, but as always they don't do so well and are moved on. They could, to an extent have anyone, and the likes of Van Der Sar have beaten off the young English promises that have been the likes of Foster. You don't go and buy promising young keepers if you're looking for one to join a top 4 (or aiming for) team, you go and buy an old enough keeper, there's a reason for that.
Young keeper make the odd mistake, so what, Given makes mistakes. As for bringing the likes of united into it, they've had some right shite keepers in recent years yet never seriously gone for Given.
 
Re: Given Off ?

didn't given say when hart came back the competition was healthy and he was prepared to fight for his place, after that interview i would let him go
 
calculated said:
Hilarious thread this, Hart demands to start and isn't he great, a sign of his drive and ambition. Given demands to start and he can fuck off. Hart has been whinging non stop for months now while Given has kept his head low and gone about his business, I don't blame him at all for fighting his corner. Given's a team player and wouldn't have opened his mouth if it wasn't for Hart's inability to shut his.

Finally, someone must've read my rant about Hart from Sunday.
 
stonerblue said:
calculated said:
Hilarious thread this, Hart demands to start and isn't he great, a sign of his drive and ambition. Given demands to start and he can fuck off. Hart has been whinging non stop for months now while Given has kept his head low and gone about his business, I don't blame him at all for fighting his corner. Given's a team player and wouldn't have opened his mouth if it wasn't for Hart's inability to shut his.

Finally, someone must've read my rant about Hart from Sunday.

This, this and a million times this.When Hart said the same comments as Given, it was down to his ambition and drive , but when given says it, he is being arrogant,etc.After all the matches with exemplary service Given has given us,most fans are telling him to fuck off as if he is a absolute nobody.
When Given joined the club , he displaced Hart because he was better than Hart and still is while Hart is only improving.Hart has had one good season, while given has been a top goalkeeper for many many years wherever he has played.Yes, i agree that Hart is the future of the club, but he is the future while Given is the present.It is crucial that at this time we need an experienced goalkeeper who will not bow under the extreme pressure this season.Nothing wrong with loaning Hart out for a couple of seasons until Given retires or his ability deteriorates , he will only improve and get experienced.

I am even going as far to say that if Hart is our no 1 this season, we wont win a thing.I can guarantee that he will crumble under extreme pressure.
 
Aussie! said:
kiiiki said:
Given said: 'To discuss now would be a little disrespectful to the goalkeepers they have already. Arsenal are a fantastic club, it's just too soon.'
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I think he's just putting pressure on Mancini, cant see City selling him to Arsenal even if he put in transfer request....that would be just stupid


Giving the club an ultimatum (sort of) is a no-no.
If he did in fact say that then, bye.

Have to agree - if he wants to sulk he can clear off. When he got injured last season it dropped us right in the sh1t, short memory there Shay. Be professional or be elsewhere.
 

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