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Given Questions Mancini's Man-Management
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baldmosher
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Prestwich, I did understand the point perfectly well, but you made the error of your example (as has just been said) only applying in the real world.
For example, if I was one of two or three data analysts and my manager had to decide on a week-by-week basis which of us was the most awake, most switched on, most able to identify and resolve data issues most quickly, after a year of being the dogsbody under a guy who was obviously better at it than me, but still clearly better than the other guy who was just about capable of opening a database and running a query, I would get the message that I was just the reserve, and either think "fuck it I'm still getting paid" or move on to a new job. In fact, as I'm past 30, I might even consider a sideways step into coaching.
For example, if I was one of two or three data analysts and my manager had to decide on a week-by-week basis which of us was the most awake, most switched on, most able to identify and resolve data issues most quickly, after a year of being the dogsbody under a guy who was obviously better at it than me, but still clearly better than the other guy who was just about capable of opening a database and running a query, I would get the message that I was just the reserve, and either think "fuck it I'm still getting paid" or move on to a new job. In fact, as I'm past 30, I might even consider a sideways step into coaching.
leighton
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Hang on a minute. There isnt a lot between the keepers apart from age. Last season Joe made some silly mistakes and was lucky to stay as number 1 at club. All the media were highlighting his poor keeping. He came on good at the end of the season but was a bit lucky to hold onto the jersey during that time. Any other manager maybe would of went to the more experienced keeper in Shay.
Saying that this season Joe has done well. I cant fault his preformances this season. Compared to last season he is a lot better and has improved. Still needs to keep focused.
Saying that this season Joe has done well. I cant fault his preformances this season. Compared to last season he is a lot better and has improved. Still needs to keep focused.
jay_mcfc
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leighton said:Hang on a minute. There isnt a lot between the keepers apart from age. Last season Joe made some silly mistakes and was lucky to stay as number 1 at club. All the media were highlighting his poor keeping. He came on good at the end of the season but was a bit lucky to hold onto the jersey during that time. Any other manager maybe would of went to the more experienced keeper in Shay.
Saying that this season Joe has done well. I cant fault his preformances this season. Compared to last season he is a lot better and has improved. Still needs to keep focused.
Improving at Joe's age is natural. There will be games where he makes a couple of mistakes but in the long run City and Mancini have been totally vindicated in playing him even if not at 100%. That's all that is important to Manchester City FC. We might just have found our goalkeeper for the next 10-15 years.
Comrade Buka
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This isn't rocket science really. Who would you rather help in a dire situation? Your family and friends or your boss?
Loyalty lies where the relation is the strongest.
If the boss asks: How are the kids? - that is a far cry from asking - How did Steven do in the final last Thursday?
Good man management has nothing to do with being friends with your subordinates, it does however involve knowing your staff so you know what makes them tick. Knowing your staff is achieved by frequent ad regular communication.
Good management also includes coaching. Knowing what you need to improve in order to reclaim your spot is generally achieved through communication. Not being good enough is a general statement offering no clues as to what to improve.
Loyalty lies where the relation is the strongest.
If the boss asks: How are the kids? - that is a far cry from asking - How did Steven do in the final last Thursday?
Good man management has nothing to do with being friends with your subordinates, it does however involve knowing your staff so you know what makes them tick. Knowing your staff is achieved by frequent ad regular communication.
Good management also includes coaching. Knowing what you need to improve in order to reclaim your spot is generally achieved through communication. Not being good enough is a general statement offering no clues as to what to improve.
ColinBellsjockstrap
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What was it Brian Clough said?:-
"My door was always open....We sit round a table in my office, have a meeting for twenty minutes then decide I was right all along".........
Shay, count your money and STFU.
Forza Mancini.
"My door was always open....We sit round a table in my office, have a meeting for twenty minutes then decide I was right all along".........
Shay, count your money and STFU.
Forza Mancini.
The Future's Blue
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Come to think of it, didn't Shay say this a while ago and the quotes have been dug up just because of the occasion?
BlueMo'
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Ah poor shay never got an arm around his shoulder and a cuddle
from Roberto.
It's a hard life.
from Roberto.
It's a hard life.
hilts
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Didsbury Dave said:Brilliant post, PB. I'd like to add a real-life example.
One of the things I learnt the most from early in my career was this:
When I first got into people management, at a big corporation, I'd become manager of a team. As part of a restructure I had to choose someone to be Team Leader of each of my three teams. All of the staff knew me well , and for two of the teams the choice was obvious.
But for one of the teams it was neck and neck between two people, both of whom I managed very closely and had a strong business relationship with. I made my decision, but as this was a brand new restructure of the company, the MD wanted to announce all these promotions one night at a big company get-together/jolly. I really wanted to talk to the guy who;d been overlooked and explain why - I was still giving him a title of "Senior" which he hadn't had before but he wasn't going to get the job. But I didn't, I obeyed the MD and the whole thing was annnounced to the whole company.
The guy who'd been overlooked - a damn good employee but not quite management - immedaitely left the get together in a fury. He took a week off sick then when he came back handed his notice in. He was absolutely hurt to the quick that things had been handled this way.
I learnt a lot from that. I lost a great employee through not obeying my instincts on man management. People need to be talked to, to have decisons explained clearly and as honestly as you can. That's what gets them bought into you.
not all plain sailing then the car wash business