Global Warming

[Damocles]

So your point is that some graphs about ice in the last 650 million years don't correspond to some graphs about sea temperature anomaly during El Nino from the past 5 years?

 

[Challenger1978]

Most nuclear plants don't want to produce hydrogen, explosive gases and nuclear are possibly a risk too far.

mind you with nuclear you could always generate electricity for a H2 plant significantly removed from the nuclear side of things

Well you better tell that to the US government as its there plan and where they go the UK normally follows. Also electrolysis is not the only way to produce hydrogen heat can be used to.

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Good read.

interesting read but nuclear hydrogen is not on the UK agenda at the moment and the article is about some scientist from the IAEA Hydrogen Economic Evaluation Programme stating his case for the research area he works in at a chemical society conference it's not US government

The focus at the moment is geared up towards off shore wind as the main renewable for the UK I've seen the CEO of EON present his companies view on renewable and it was all about phase 3 of off shore wind

If nuclear hydrogen does take off in other countries maybe the UK will look at once it is proven technology

I'm pro nuclear as part of the mix for energy generation but the new nuclear plants that will be built in the UK are nuclear only.

I never said they were I said they should.

"Nuclear hydrogen from electrolysis of water or steam is a reality now, yet the economics need to be improved," said Khamis. He noted that some countries are considering construction of new nuclear plants coupled with high-temperature steam electrolysis (HTSE) stations that would allow them to generate hydrogen gas on a large scale in anticipation of growing economic opportunities.

Above is similar to what you said before. All we have to do is build the nuclear power plants in a lot of space and in the future build a high-temperature steam electrolysis (HTSE) station near buy. Its a first step but its what we should be moving towards as a country IMO.

 

[Grolsch30]

happening ... yes

man made.... no

Would agree.

Me to agree with this, I believe it's part of the natural cycle of earth.

 

[TCIB]

It is happening and would happen with or without human interference.
I don't think anyone would deny this is a recurring cycle given what we know.

However we are catalyzing the proccess imo.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

So your point is that some graphs about ice in the last 650 million years don't correspond to some graphs about sea temperature anomaly during El Nino from the past 5 years?

Just as some graphs showing the rate of CO2 increase don't correspond to the recorded temperature change over the same period.

Either the model is wrong or the data is wrong or both.

 

[Damocles]

It is happening and would happen with or without human interference.
I don't think anyone would deny this is a recurring cycle given what we know.

However we are catalyzing the proccess imo.

Given enough time and given enough universes, it is statistically probable that life will spark into existence. This does not mean that we can't have kids.

My point is that you are talking about a natural cycle of warming/cooling that occurs over an incredibly long time. This period has done it in a generation. I know of no event outside of meteor strikes and other Extinction Level Events that has caused such a major change in the ecosystem in such a hugely short time.

-- Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:29 pm --

So your point is that some graphs about ice in the last 650 million years don't correspond to some graphs about sea temperature anomaly during El Nino from the past 5 years?

Just as some graphs showing the rate of CO2 increase don't correspond to the recorded temperature change over the same period.

Either the model is wrong or the data is wrong or both.

I'm not sure that anybody has claimed this?

You're not talking about climate there, you are talking about weather. Example; if you pay £1.50 for bread, then the year after pay £1.75, then £2.00, then £1.80, then £1.75, what is the overall trend?

 

[Gelsons Dad]

It is happening and would happen with or without human interference.
I don't think anyone would deny this is a recurring cycle given what we know.

However we are catalyzing the proccess imo.

Given enough time and given enough universes, it is statistically probable that life will spark into existence. This does not mean that we can't have kids.

My point is that you are talking about a natural cycle of warming/cooling that occurs over an incredibly long time. This period has done it in a generation. I know of no event outside of meteor strikes and other Extinction Level Events that has caused such a major change in the ecosystem in such a hugely short time.

Done what in a generation?

 

[SWP's back]

It is happening and would happen with or without human interference.
I don't think anyone would deny this is a recurring cycle given what we know.

However we are catalyzing the proccess imo.

Given enough time and given enough universes, it is statistically probable that life will spark into existence. This does not mean that we can't have kids.

My point is that you are talking about a natural cycle of warming/cooling that occurs over an incredibly long time. This period has done it in a generation. I know of no event outside of meteor strikes and other Extinction Level Events that has caused such a major change in the ecosystem in such a hugely short time.

But this is where the question I have comes in regarding ice core data only going back so far and not being as accurate (in terms of sort term fluctuations for obvious reasons) as recorded history of the last 500 years.

 

[hilts]

It is happening and would happen with or without human interference.
I don't think anyone would deny this is a recurring cycle given what we know.

However we are catalyzing the proccess imo.

Given enough time and given enough universes, it is statistically probable that life will spark into existence. This does not mean that we can't have kids.

My point is that you are talking about a natural cycle of warming/cooling that occurs over an incredibly long time. This period has done it in a generation. I know of no event outside of meteor strikes and other Extinction Level Events that has caused such a major change in the ecosystem in such a hugely short time.

-- Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:29 pm --

So your point is that some graphs about ice in the last 650 million years don't correspond to some graphs about sea temperature anomaly during El Nino from the past 5 years?

Just as some graphs showing the rate of CO2 increase don't correspond to the recorded temperature change over the same period.

Either the model is wrong or the data is wrong or both.

I'm not sure that anybody has claimed this?

You're not talking about climate there, you are talking about weather. Example; if you pay £1.50 for bread, then the year after pay £1.75, then £2.00, then £1.80, then £1.75, what is the overall trend?

hovis taking the piss?<br /><br />-- Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:33 pm --<br /><br />

It is happening and would happen with or without human interference.
I don't think anyone would deny this is a recurring cycle given what we know.

However we are catalyzing the proccess imo.

Given enough time and given enough universes, it is statistically probable that life will spark into existence. This does not mean that we can't have kids.

My point is that you are talking about a natural cycle of warming/cooling that occurs over an incredibly long time. This period has done it in a generation. I know of no event outside of meteor strikes and other Extinction Level Events that has caused such a major change in the ecosystem in such a hugely short time.

-- Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:29 pm --

So your point is that some graphs about ice in the last 650 million years don't correspond to some graphs about sea temperature anomaly during El Nino from the past 5 years?

Just as some graphs showing the rate of CO2 increase don't correspond to the recorded temperature change over the same period.

Either the model is wrong or the data is wrong or both.

I'm not sure that anybody has claimed this?

You're not talking about climate there, you are talking about weather. Example; if you pay £1.50 for bread, then the year after pay £1.75, then £2.00, then £1.80, then £1.75, what is the overall trend?

hovis taking the piss?

 

[Damocles]

Here is the correlation graph between CO2 and temperature over an ultra long period:

Here is my bread point as mentioned earlier:

Here is a graph since the onset of 20th Century: