Government ban on Petrol and Diesel vehicles (by 2040)

[Ban-jani]

Cos they're going to be 4 years to late according to science

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earth-will-cross-the-climate-danger-threshold-by-2036/

Well they should make it 2030 then, that's if that article is correct.

My post was aimed at those moaning that it's happening full stop.

 

[BlueHammer85]

22 years away isnt long

how will this affect the Oil industry do you think ?

 

[bluenote]

There is new battery tech coming that will make this discussion irrelevant. Nobody will want a petrol or diesel car for day to day driving.
The new battery tech can be fully charged within 30 minutes and will give a range of around 600 miles. Experimental battery tech is pushing that by four times as much. This tech is happening right now. The main problem is getting the weight down and making the batteries cheaper. In 2040, the technology will have improved and matured that petrol and diesel cars will become the realm of what steam buffs are thought of now!

 

[bluenote]

There is new battery tech coming that will make this discussion irrelevant. Nobody will want a petrol or diesel car for day to day driving.
The new battery tech can be fully charged within 30 minutes and will give a range of around 600 miles. Experimental battery tech is pushing that by four times as much. This tech is happening right now. The main problem is getting the weight down and making the batteries cheaper. In 2040, the technology will have improved and matured that petrol and diesel cars will become the realm of what steam buffs are thought of now!

The new tech is happening and is v interesting however there's no free lunch. Likely to need plenty of new fission nukes to provide the juice and of course there's the non-trivial matter of getting the rare earth elements out of the ground and processed into the batteries and what we do with the nuclear waste etc. Or we could use petrol and shale gas derivatives......

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Of fucking course it won't - this could be either a bold move to force progress in the motor industry or a stunt to placate the courts with alleged action on pollution ( which is my guess ) - either way unless someone comes up with a way to put the range into a vehicle with the ease and at around the cost we have now it will never catch on. Could finish off the economy too which by 2040 should be showing signs of recovery from the effect of Brexit - just.

A Tesla supercharger gives 170 miles of range in 30 minutes, so I think in 23 years, that should be improved dramatically. This announcement is basically the UK getting in line with other European countries that have already announced the same thing. By then, the big manufacturers won't be making diesel or petrol anyway. Volvo have already announced that all of their cars will be at least part electric by 2019.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Apparently an additional 15% generating capacity will be required. But by then I would expect/hope that it should be possible to recharge cars overnight, when electricity demand is much lower, with enough juice to keep it going comfortably throughout the following day.

How does this work for the vast majority of people who don't have a driveway or a garage? Are we going to be walking along the streets constantly on the lookout for wires stretched across the pavement? And then there'll be huge arguments about the right to park in front of your own house. Imagine you get home from work to find someone's parked in your space and you can't charge your car for work tomorrow.

Although what will probably happen is that car ownership will fall and public transport and self-driving taxis will be the way most people get about.

 

[grunge]

The Government have announced that they intend to ban the sale of new petrol and diesel vehicles by 2040.

Unless someone comes up with an alternative fuel car that you can re-fill with a 300 to 500 mile range in about 10 minutes for around £50 I'd say 2nd hand traditional cars values will rise.

Furthermore if they intend the future to be electric the new nuclear reactor is going to be worked pretty damn hard to "refill" all those 'leccy cars. Parking for free next to a powerpoint to "fill up" your electric LEAF or similar is going to get pretty difficult

well right now, a tesla can do 170miles on a 30m charge for at tesla charging points, if you bought a tesla before Jan you get to charge for free forever, if you bought after that point you get 1000miles for free, after 1000miles its 20p per KWh of charge, so 170m of travel will cost £17, at home using your own electricity its about £6 for a full over night charge that will get you about 250 miles.

in the states these are becoming quite popular now, someone drove one from New York to LA with zero cost in the last month or 2.

in another 23 years I can see the range and charging times being way more than your specs.

 

[johnmc]

How will the government replace the income from petrol/diesel taxes?

 

[waspish]

No petrol or diesel means no oil - no oil no rich city owner - no rich city owner - no City without oil money remember!

You don't know much about our owners do you.

 

[dickie davies]

How does this work for the vast majority of people who don't have a driveway or a garage? Are we going to be walking along the streets constantly on the lookout for wires stretched across the pavement? And then there'll be huge arguments about the right to park in front of your own house. Imagine you get home from work to find someone's parked in your space and you can't charge your car for work tomorrow.

Although what will probably happen is that car ownership will fall and public transport and self-driving taxis will be the way most people get about.

And we'll have HS2, so that will help with everyone's daily commute!