Government loses Abu Qatada appeal

[blue81]

I want to know where was the Human rights Act when thousands of us were herded into football stadia and horribly tortured by Stuart Pearce?

My worst days as a blue they were......even when we were really sh*t and suffered relegation's etc at least it was edge of your seat stuff, watching his football nearly put me off for life!

 

[CTID1988]

I want to know where was the Human rights Act when thousands of us were herded into football stadia and horribly tortured by Stuart Pearce?

My worst days as a blue they were......even when we were really sh*t and suffered relegation's etc at least it was edge of your seat stuff, watching his football nearly put me off for life!

My younger brothers first season coming to city with me them days were, christ knows why he carried on coming!

 

[MATCITY]

I want to know where was the Human rights Act when thousands of us were herded into football stadia and horribly tortured by Stuart Pearce?

My worst days as a blue they were......even when we were really sh*t and suffered relegation's etc at least it was edge of your seat stuff, watching his football nearly put me off for life!

My younger brothers first season coming to city with me them days were, christ knows why he carried on coming!

Same as my sister, she showed some strong patience for a 8/9 year old

 

[Chris in London]

I want to know where was the Human rights Act when thousands of us were herded into football stadia and horribly tortured by Stuart Pearce?

The claim was dismissed on the basis that the crowd were not, were not really there...

A second argument that the crowd had been tortured into claiming that City were at the time 'the best team in the land and all the world' was left open.

 

[Bovril]

That'll do for me- have a nice trip to Jordan fella!!x

Not planning on going to Jordan fella.

You wouldn't have the balls to go anywhere fella, your quite fucking happy thinking your a clever twat with your words and wisdom whilst the people protecting utter cnuts like you are getting shot at day in day out, I would love to have a drink with you and show you the error of your ways you fucking sesspot but unfortunatly I am currently in Camp Bastion obviously wasting my time on utter utter cnuts like you, care to reply to a right wing waster like me you tosser !!!!!

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Well fuck me sideways

 

[dazdon]

Now there's a moment of madness :-)

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

That'll do for me- have a nice trip to Jordan fella!!x

Not planning on going to Jordan fella.

You wouldn't have the balls to go anywhere fella, your quite fucking happy thinking your a clever twat with your words and wisdom whilst the people protecting utter cnuts like you are getting shot at day in day out, I would love to have a drink with you and show you the error of your ways you fucking sesspot but unfortunatly I am currently in Camp Bastion obviously wasting my time on utter utter cnuts like you, care to reply to a right wing waster like me you tosser !!!!!

It's all dead simple for people like you isn't it? It's either black or white. Go and shoot or bomb someone and the problem is solved. Unfortunately real life is more complex.

What exactly are you protecting us from in Camp Bastion? Did you protect us from the 7/7 bombs or was your presence perhaps the cause of those in the minds of those who did it?

Do you ever ask yourself why you are being shot at day in, day out? Isn't it simply because you're there and that's what the Afghans have done for ages.

Do you not believe that an advanced and civilised legal system, with all its perceived faults, is something we should respect and cherish because it protects us just as much as a man with a gun?

 

[CTID1988]

That'll do for me- have a nice trip to Jordan fella!!x

Not planning on going to Jordan fella.

You wouldn't have the balls to go anywhere fella, your quite fucking happy thinking your a clever twat with your words and wisdom whilst the people protecting utter cnuts like you are getting shot at day in day out, I would love to have a drink with you and show you the error of your ways you fucking sesspot but unfortunatly I am currently in Camp Bastion obviously wasting my time on utter utter cnuts like you, care to reply to a right wing waster like me you tosser !!!!!

You're not a marine are you? Did someone crash into the back of your car the other week....?

 

[Ancient Citizen]

It would be a problem for me if we sent anyone to somewhere where there was a genuine prospect of them being tortured, as I'm sure it would for the gentleman who drafted the ECHR.

I'm sure the chap who drafted the act did not intend that any murderer, terrorist, preacher of hate or other such undesirables would be free to enter our country and claim protection under the act, as has happened recently.

I'm sure he didn't and if he saw the world we inhabit today, I imagine it would blow his mind - in both a positive and negative sense - however isn't that, in actual fact, the point?

In an at times bewilderingly ever-changing world it is vital that we have certain totemic principles that the state and the bodies that perform its functions are legally obliged to uphold. Certain rights which cannot (unless it is proportionate to do so) be departed from, irrespective of how much the sands around us shift.

Much like the benefit system, there will always be individuals that exploit it, that is the nature of human affairs, but it is surely correct that these principles (that you appear to accept per se) are enshrined in British law, and as Chris says, actually give people recourse within this jurisdiction, rather than having to go to Strasbourg to seek a resolution.

A lucid and erudite response, and one that I agree with almost wholeheartedly. The problem, however, is that there is a fundamental flaw in the content of certain sections of the HRA. Benefit fraud may take months to uncover as it takes many guises, this flaw is screaming out to be abused.