Grealish left out of the CWC squad (pg34)

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I cannot remember Jack carrying anybody in the treble season.
Or Ake or Foden for that matter.
Before they got the 4 centre backs playing together we struggled in many games. Could be my bad, and it was Lewis instead of Foden, but Grealish and Ake were both great while others struggled in the 1st half of the season.
Opinions hey? Good job only mine matters.
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Before they got the 4 centre backs playing together we struggled in many games. Could be my bad, and it was Lewis instead of Foden, but Grealish and Ake were both great while others struggled in the 1st half of the season.
Opinions hey? Good job only mine matters.
:-)
Are you not getting Jack mixed up with Haaland.
Easy mistake to make.lol.
 
We live in a different age for football which makes it impossible to compare players of different ages.

Having watched Marsh and Grealish, the former made and scored goals out of nowhere but offered little defensively. Jack is the better modern player but doesn't score or create enough, which lets him down.

A great person and player but slow to shoot and rarely gets into the penalty area to use his skill and physicality as a big lad to score or win penalties rather than win free kicks in neutral areas.
 
True..! Allison was hell-bent on winning the title in 1972 with Rodney intended to be the 'cherry on the icing on the cake' in the run-in from Easter onwards. Only trouble was, he took Tony Towers out of the team without replacing his prodigious work rate that was vital to the rest of the team.. hence we finished fourth, instead of Champions!
He replaced Ian Mellor not Tony Towers.
 
If you think it's nonsense about his drinking you're very naive. Do you think he's supping tea in nightclubs and parties? He had a drink problem at Villa when he crashed his Range Rover when too pissed to walk properly, never mind drive. He's been caught by paparazze several times since staggering out of clubs in the early hours whilst he should have been at home in bed.

The club know full well he has a drink problem but they're not going broadcast it are they because they want to sell him to the highest bidder. It was reported he was the last to leave at De Bruyne's leaving party, no surprise there. Maybe why Pep left him out of the squad against Fulham.


Fucking hell, 2nd hand reporting of the Daily Mail. It actually says he left 5 minutes after De Bruyne who probably knew he'd be featuring at Fulham, so hang him high.
 
You're right he was a treble winner, but the credit in his bank for being a part in that season soon dissipated. Too many blues make that excuse about Grealish, they talk as if we wouldn't have won the treble without him. That's debatable but on the whole he's not lived up to expectations.
We all have opinions that's why we're on the forum. For me the treble squad is the treble squad. Nothing dissipated. The greatest achievement in the club's history.
 
wonder what would be the general consensus on him if we are bit more clever or lucky at the time and lets say he would have been in his last year of contract and we manage to get him for 35m and not 100m. he wouldnt have been booed that much every ground, lot less media pressure due to price etc. and if he does exactly like he did in 4 years for that price majority wouldnt be so unhappy with him as now.
 
He replaced Ian Mellor not Tony Towers.
No, R Kid, it was 'TT' who got the short straw when Rodney Marsh arrived! He'd been a fixture as defensive midfield during the run of a dozen or so unbeaten games around Chrstmas that took us 5pts clear with 8 games to go. 'TT' was outstanding, probably our best player during that run!

As Mike Doyle put it in his autobiography some years later:
“Frankly I think there was a large measure of divided opinion about signing Rodney from QPR… but Malcolm was adamant that he was just the player City needed, I came to the conclusion that Joe (Mercer) was against bringing Rodney to Maine Road. We were playing Chelsea and that was the game in which Rodney made his debut. Tony Towers lost his place that day… we achieved victory by the skin of our teeth… Marsh was a stone overweight and I told Malcolm exactly what I thought about his decision to leave Tony Towers out… In Franny Lee, Mike Summerbee and Colin Bell we had three of the best attackers in the business, but suddenly they were getting into positions – and the ball never arrived.”
 
In a 4 year period in our greatest era, City have won more games when Grealish has played and lost more matches when he hasn't which I think deserves a lot of respect.

It also encompassed winning the treble and 4 in a row. The sheer magnitude of winning 4 league titles in a row for the first time in the history of English football seems to escape many on here, an achievement that will be spoken about in 100 years time yet posters are talking about not making dreams come true FFS.

Professional football is about building a balanced team to win football matches. And that's it.

And yet there's 57 pages in this thread and 488 pages in the other thread of tactical geniuses and transfer gurus endlessly repeating themselves, whilst missing the main fucking point of professional football.

Grealish fitted like hand in glove in an extremely high level team that suffocated the opposition both with and without the ball, death by 1000 cuts football, involving real patience, discipline and precision passing, requiring constant focus and concentration from opponents that couldn't be maintained.So rather than slurs, the only thing completely wasted was this level of football on the many on here stomping their feet and wanting the ball passed forward quicker to Haaland.

But the most analysed and popular sport moves on and it seems a narrower front three, a deeper midfield and getting the ball forward to Haaland is where it's now headed. This is probably due to a large extent in Haaland signing a long new contract. And now the foot stompers are complaining about the inevitable energy required in midfield for the increased number of turnovers.

Jimmy Greaves didn't become a bad player immediately because he couldn't force his way back into the 1966 team after injury where Ramsey liked the balance of the team he'd stumbled upon. Ian Bishop didn't become a bad player because Kendall preferred to play a different way in which Mark Ward was more suited. So I don't think Haaland signing a 9 year contract requires a full complement oi Hello magazine writers to pontificate and it may just be a different tactical approach is the now best option to get a balanced team in order to win professional football matches.

So rather than the armchair experts on here who've no real appreciation of what they've been witnessing over the last few years I'll leave the final word to the Godfather of modern football.


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Great post mate.
 
I like Jack as a guy and as a player, I’ve said so on here loads of times.

But anyone denying that he’s out on the piss too much are naive and deluded. It’s completely obvious - and that’s only the stuff we do see. I guarantee there’s a lot more behind the scenes we don’t know about.

Ultimately it’s unprofessional. The final straw for me was when the photos came out of him on the piss in Gorton and Newcastle.

He’s only himself to blame.
 
I like Jack as a guy and as a player, I’ve said so on here loads of times.

But anyone denying that he’s out on the piss too much are naive and deluded. It’s completely obvious - and that’s only the stuff we do see. I guarantee there’s a lot more behind the scenes we don’t know about.

Ultimately it’s unprofessional. The final straw for me was when the photos came out of him on the piss in Gorton and Newcastle.

He’s only himself to blame.
yep great player, one of the best for our treble winning season.

But he's got stuff going on one can assume & loves a session which looks like it's annoyed pep.

I like the lad but wouldn't lose any sleep if he left this summer, better players out there.
 
I like Jack as a guy and as a player, I’ve said so on here loads of times.

But anyone denying that he’s out on the piss too much are naive and deluded. It’s completely obvious - and that’s only the stuff we do see. I guarantee there’s a lot more behind the scenes we don’t know about.

Ultimately it’s unprofessional. The final straw for me was when the photos came out of him on the piss in Gorton and Newcastle.

He’s only himself to blame.
You're right, he's unprofessional. I think that's what pisses Pep off more than anything.
We all know Pep demands discipline combined with a high level of fitness and humbleness.

He always looks slow to me. Can't beat a full back, just dithers around with the ball till he gets fouled or does a simple pass to Gvardiol, his crosses easily get blocked every time. Leading to hardly any assists.
300k a week for that. If that is his basic wage we've paid him over 40 million so far. For a handful of goals and assists.
For me that represents a failure of a signing, time for him to leave.
 
In a 4 year period in our greatest era, City have won more games when Grealish has played and lost more matches when he hasn't which I think deserves a lot of respect.

It also encompassed winning the treble and 4 in a row. The sheer magnitude of winning 4 league titles in a row for the first time in the history of English football seems to escape many on here, an achievement that will be spoken about in 100 years time yet posters are talking about not making dreams come true FFS.

Professional football is about building a balanced team to win football matches. And that's it.

And yet there's 57 pages in this thread and 488 pages in the other thread of tactical geniuses and transfer gurus endlessly repeating themselves, whilst missing the main fucking point of professional football.

Grealish fitted like hand in glove in an extremely high level team that suffocated the opposition both with and without the ball, death by 1000 cuts football, involving real patience, discipline and precision passing, requiring constant focus and concentration from opponents that couldn't be maintained.So rather than slurs, the only thing completely wasted was this level of football on the many on here stomping their feet and wanting the ball passed forward quicker to Haaland.

But the most analysed and popular sport moves on and it seems a narrower front three, a deeper midfield and getting the ball forward to Haaland is where it's now headed. This is probably due to a large extent in Haaland signing a long new contract. And now the foot stompers are complaining about the inevitable energy required in midfield for the increased number of turnovers.

Jimmy Greaves didn't become a bad player immediately because he couldn't force his way back into the 1966 team after injury where Ramsey liked the balance of the team he'd stumbled upon. Ian Bishop didn't become a bad player because Kendall preferred to play a different way in which Mark Ward was more suited. So I don't think Haaland signing a 9 year contract requires a full complement oi Hello magazine writers to pontificate and it may just be a different tactical approach is the now best option to get a balanced team in order to win professional football matches.

So rather than the armchair experts on here who've no real appreciation of what they've been witnessing over the last few years I'll leave the final word to the Godfather of modern football.


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Johan Cruyff, what a joy to watch, poetry in motion. The Holland team of that era were truly magnificent with so many intelligent players.
 
In a 4 year period in our greatest era, City have won more games when Grealish has played and lost more matches when he hasn't which I think deserves a lot of respect.

It also encompassed winning the treble and 4 in a row. The sheer magnitude of winning 4 league titles in a row for the first time in the history of English football seems to escape many on here, an achievement that will be spoken about in 100 years time yet posters are talking about not making dreams come true FFS.

Professional football is about building a balanced team to win football matches. And that's it.

And yet there's 57 pages in this thread and 488 pages in the other thread of tactical geniuses and transfer gurus endlessly repeating themselves, whilst missing the main fucking point of professional football.

Grealish fitted like hand in glove in an extremely high level team that suffocated the opposition both with and without the ball, death by 1000 cuts football, involving real patience, discipline and precision passing, requiring constant focus and concentration from opponents that couldn't be maintained.So rather than slurs, the only thing completely wasted was this level of football on the many on here stomping their feet and wanting the ball passed forward quicker to Haaland.

But the most analysed and popular sport moves on and it seems a narrower front three, a deeper midfield and getting the ball forward to Haaland is where it's now headed. This is probably due to a large extent in Haaland signing a long new contract. And now the foot stompers are complaining about the inevitable energy required in midfield for the increased number of turnovers.

Jimmy Greaves didn't become a bad player immediately because he couldn't force his way back into the 1966 team after injury where Ramsey liked the balance of the team he'd stumbled upon. Ian Bishop didn't become a bad player because Kendall preferred to play a different way in which Mark Ward was more suited. So I don't think Haaland signing a 9 year contract requires a full complement oi Hello magazine writers to pontificate and it may just be a different tactical approach is the now best option to get a balanced team in order to win professional football matches.

So rather than the armchair experts on here who've no real appreciation of what they've been witnessing over the last few years I'll leave the final word to the Godfather of modern football.


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great post, enjoyed reading that!
 
Enjoyed reading that.

You’re trying to wrap mediocrity in the glory of Manchester City’s golden era — and I am not buying it. Let’s be clear: Grealish didn’t “fit like a glove,” he clung on, benefiting from a system so perfectly drilled it could carry a passenger without breaking stride and also, I won't take away his short lived 3-5Months, but it is not like his performance were anything to remember unless if you are his die-hard fan. Even if I wanted to, I would never take away from the incredible contribution and achievements of every player including Grealish, during that historic treble-winning season. They all played their part in making history.

“City have won more games when Grealish has played...”
Correlation isn’t causation. This isn’t a 5-a-side pub stat. He wasn’t the reason we won — he was there while the others dragged us over the line. If he was so crucial, we’d feel his absence. Yet whenever he’s out, our intensity increases, tempo improves, and decision-making sharpens. You don’t need to be Pep to see that. I think you are mistakening Rodri's absence for Grealish's influence!

“Professional football is about building a balanced team...”
No one is arguing against balance. But balance isn’t the same as anonymity. For £100M, you expect impact — not just jogging in tight triangles, shielding the ball, and slowing down attacks like he’s running down the clock in minute 7.

“The sheer magnitude of winning four titles... will be spoken about in 100 years...”
Absolutely. But nobody will be talking about Jack Grealish. They’ll be talking about Pep, about Haaland’s goal record, about Gundogan's clutch moments, about Rodri’s dominance, about Bernardo’s versatility — not a winger with fewer league goals over three seasons than some full-backs.

“Death by a thousand cuts football... patience and discipline...”
You’re mistaking lack of purpose for “discipline.” Grealish often kills promising transitions, plays safe when boldness is required, and avoids risk to the point of irrelevance. Opponents know he’s going to cut inside and recycle — there’s no edge, no unpredictability, no chaos — nothing to fear or worry about. And oh, we have been doing death by a 1000 cuts way before Grealish played in a City shirt!

“Jimmy Greaves… Ian Bishop…”
Please. Don't try to sprinkle in nostalgic historical fluff to defend a modern luxury player in an era of ruthless efficiency. This isn’t about falling out of favor — it’s about never delivering enough to justify favor in the first place.

“armchair experts”? The same “experts” you mock were the ones calling for Doku when Grealish was sleepwalking through games. The same ones demanding a more dynamic left side to match our evolution and change the game. Guess what? They were right. You speak of "armchair experts", while you pose as one yourself, that is very rich!

We’re not talking about “Hello Magazine” — we’re talking about production, bravery, and technical output at the very top level. Grealish hasn’t delivered it consistently or enough, full stop.

So no, we don’t owe him a round of applause for existing in a treble-winning squad. And no, we’re not going to silence criticism because he held width and passed sideways.

Using Cruyff to defend Jack Grealish’s performances sounds poetic, but it's a complete misreading of what Cruyff actually stood for. The quote — “Playing football is very simple, but playing simple football is the hardest thing there is” — is often thrown around to excuse safe, uninspired play. But Cruyff wasn’t praising players who stall attacks, recycle possession sideways, and avoid risk. He was celebrating players who made the hardest decisions look effortless — fast 1-2s, intelligent off-ball movement, incisive passes in tight spaces. Grealish hasn’t embodied that.

Grealish’s style at City has become more about playing it safe than playing it simple. He slows transitions, plays backward or sideways far too often, and rarely takes on defenders unless it’s deep in the opposition half where the risk is minimal. That’s not “simple” football — it’s cautious football. It’s control without penetration. And when you’re in a team designed to suffocate the opposition with precision and movement, that lack of vertical threat becomes a liability.


Cruyff’s philosophy was about doing the most intelligent thing with the fewest touches — with bravery and intent. If Grealish truly played like Cruyff envisioned, he’d be dictating tempo, eliminating defenders with sharp decisions, and contributing heavily in goals and assists. Instead, 4 years in, he’s been outperformed by nearly every other winger on the team.

So let’s stop misusing Cruyff’s legacy to shield underwhelming performances. If anything, Cruyff would have demanded more from a £100M player operating in one of the best teams in history. Lets stop pretending like Grealish is some misunderstood genius embodying the gospel of Total Football.

Respect the badge, respect the standard. The bar is elite. Jack hasn’t cleared it.
 
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