Greater Manchester Politics Thread

[Ric]

My creeping horror in all of this is Johnson's fall will almost certainly be met with the rise of Gove.

Yeah, you have to be careful what you wish for. I was delighted at the time when May fell, but with hindsight things have actually got progressively worse. Topping Johnson would be some achievement, but if anyone could manage it it would be Michael fucking Gove.

 

[Tb1981]

In much the same way Merseyside and Lancashire got theirs and once they got it, Greater Manchester and any other region would always get.

He gambled on getting everything he asked for and it didn't work out for him but as i keep saying, he has left himself open and the questions have already started to what will he do and how will he feel if the death rates sadly rise in the next few weeks and will he hold himself accountable.

This government will pin everything they can on him refusing to enter tier 3 from here on. That isn't my opinion, its a fact. I genuinely feel that at the start of this he held all the cards and should have played them a bit smarter knowing exactly what/who he was up against.

I think he will be happy he fought and lost
He is a shoe in for the next mayor elections

 

[Fame Monster]

My creeping horror in all of this is Johnson's fall will almost certainly be met with the rise of Gove.

The year is 2023 and uniformed Serco guards roam the streets hunting down any and all citizens in breach of Prime Minister Grayling's perma-lockdown.

 

[Rascal]

And it needs to be continuously mentioned that when they do, it’s a false narrative as it was always in their control anyway, as shown today. They could have attempted to keep the higher ground had Johnson said 60m, given that’s what they offered for that local support. The moment they didn’t and said it was the figure it was, the whole thing is exposed as to what it was really about. Remember it isn’t just about whether it worked out for him or not. The tories not providing that additional 38m will have serious consequences directly on people’s lives over the next few months.

Some will still fall for it absolutely. I can’t see many though, it’s too brazen now.

It is way too brazen. The arrogant fuckers are trying to treat Manchester like shit because Manchester doesn't vote Tory.

It was always in Johnson's hands, he is the PM. Burnham tried to get what he thought was a deal equitable with other area's nothing more nothing less and was basically told to fuck off. The sheer arrogance of this government is fucking astounding. They can give millions to there mates for shit, but wont look after people in a Northern city that already has some of the most deprived wards in Europe thanks to their needless austerity and now they want to turn the knife. Its not levelling up, its fucking up and I seriously hope the cunts are not planning to come to our city for a conference again, because they will not be welcome ever again. Johnson and his fuckwit government have managed to do something that nobody has ever managed before, he has united Mancs and Scousers in a common cause.

But what Johnson has also done is make it harder for Mancunians to comply with the lockdown. Without support what will people do, they wont sit and quietly starve to death like the Tories appear to hope, they will carry on and flout the rules and that will make a bad situation even worse. A situation that is bad because of his serial incompetence and total lack of empathy for anybody not in his social strata.

I am not a nasty person, I never wish ill on people, but for Johnson I make an exception, I really do fucking hate the **** with a passion.

 

[urban genie]

Anyone defending the vindictiveness of this government with well we should have took the 60 million on offer is deluded and indefensable.

60 million was never getting given to us once we stood up to the hovernment.
another falsehood leaked out like many of the misinformation the last few days.

It seems of you read all that has been said was 60 mill offered, GM leaders said we need 90, came and said as much that we cannot go into teir 3 without the right economic package.

Once forced into T3 a child like response from johnson to cut the original offer of 60 to 22 jist to be vindoctive and spitefull.

Absolute shower of bastards and I in way blame our local labour and tory councilors and MPs was originally asking for more and holding out.

As said this isn't about just Manchester, this is about the next region they shaft and the next and so on.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

The question has got to be, why do districts have to ‘negotiate‘ their own settlements on emergency funding? Surely there should be a system in place to work this out.

 

[MCFC1993]

So my MP; Chris Clarkson (definitely didn't vote for him) thinks its a good idea to now go after Andy Burnham. He's seriously misjudging the area he represents and how many people here will be affected. Only one side of this is playing politics and forgetting it's people's survival on the line.

Not been in the job 12 months yet and I'm yet to see anything of substance from him, doesn't appear to be able to think for himself either.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

I think he will be happy he fought and lost
He is a shoe in for the next mayor elections

I just said the very same thing to Mrs Ewing over my Dorset Cereals granola - 'When are the next mayoral elections in GM? The fellah's a failed politician at Westminster and, like a couple more, they eye these mayoral elections as a nice little earner. Andy is tailor made for this kind of job. I heard he was offering Boris the option of banning PL football from Mcr once a month with the game being forfeited 0-3!

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Anyone defending the vindictiveness of this government with well we should have took the 60 million on offer is deluded and indefensable.

60 million was never getting given to us once we stood up to the hovernment.
another falsehood leaked out like many of the misinformation the last few days.

It seems of you read all that has been said was 60 mill offered, GM leaders said we need 90, came and said as much that we cannot go into teir 3 without the right economic package.

Once forced into T3 a child like response from johnson to cut the original offer of 60 to 22 jist to be vindoctive and spitefull.

Absolute shower of bastards and I in way blame our local labour and tory councilors and MPs was originally asking for more and holding out.

As said this isn't about just Manchester, this is about the next region they shaft and the next and so on.

I'm actually getting confused with the figures now. Last I heard Burnham was after 65 and the Govt only offering 20? If 60 is on the table and he's only after 5m more is that really so far apart?

 

[jay_mcfc]

So my MP; Chris Clarkson (definitely didn't vote for him) thinks its a good idea to now go after Andy Burnham. He's seriously misjudging the area he represents and how many people here will be affected. Only one side of this is playing politics and forgetting it's people's survival on the line.

Not been in the job 12 months yet and I'm yet to see anything of substance from him, doesn't appear to be able to think for himself either.

What do you expect from a middle class Cheshire based Tory that sneaked his way into Middleton and Heywood?

 

[jay_mcfc]

I'm actually getting confused with the figures now. Last I heard Burnham was after 65 and the Govt only offering 20? If 60 is on the table and he's only after 5m more is that really so far apart?

I think Andy was after 90m

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

I think Andy was after 90m

Didn't it start at £90 million?

Reduced to £75 million by Burnham .

Government offered £22 million (daft figure because they'd given Liverpool £30 million and its half the population)

Burnham asks for £65 million as a concession

Government offered £60 million take it or leave it.

Interesting that the Tories were trying to divide and conquer by speaking to individual council leaders behind the back of Andy Burnham.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

So my MP; Chris Clarkson (definitely didn't vote for him) thinks its a good idea to now go after Andy Burnham. He's seriously misjudging the area he represents and how many people here will be affected. Only one side of this is playing politics and forgetting it's people's survival on the line.

Not been in the job 12 months yet and I'm yet to see anything of substance from him, doesn't appear to be able to think for himself either.

What do you expect from a middle class Cheshire based Tory that sneaked his way into Middleton and Heywood?

He'd better make the most of this term, unless he gets moved to a safe seat as a thank you.

 

[meltonblue]

The 22m is to cover track and trace. The 60m was support for local businesses (Burnham went down to 65 from initially wanting 90). Jarvis has essentially accepted the same offer that Burnham didn’t - 11m for track and trace and 30m to support local businesses for a populalation size that’s half that of GM.

So basically, unless local leaders agree to support the government, they’re withholding any money to support local businesses and people through it. There’s no reason to do it and they’re holding all the local leaders over a barrel just so that when this all comes back to bite, they can spread the blame. If they don’t go along, like Burnham, they’ll portray that it was his fault for blocking it or delaying lockdown, despite it never actually being his accountability anyway - it’s always been in the governments control.

It is the creation of the exact same battleground as Trump vs individual states in the US and it’s a very dangerous and slippery slope.

The question that needs to be asked is if the government thought that 60m was needed to get people through the next few months, why have they withheld that rather than just signing it off? That shows what they were really negotiating for.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Didn't it start at £90 million?

Reduced to £75 million by Burnham .

Government offered £22 million (daft figure because they'd given Liverpool £30 million and its half the population)

Burnham asks for £65 million as a concession

Government offered £60 million take it or leave it.

Interesting that the Tories were trying to divide and conquer by speaking to individual council leaders behind the back of Andy Burnham.

The 22M is the track/trace support stuff, isn't it?

Was that part of the 65M or the 60M?

 

[meltonblue]

The 22M is the track/trace support stuff, isn't it?

Was that part of the 65M or the 60M?

The Sheffield deal, it was 11m for track and trace and 30m for businesses, so 41m in total for a population half the size.

If the 60/65m was also inclusive of track and trace, then Sheffield have been offered a much better deal (equivalent to one Burnham would have accepted, as it would have been 82m in total).

 

[Rascal]

So my MP; Chris Clarkson (definitely didn't vote for him) thinks its a good idea to now go after Andy Burnham. He's seriously misjudging the area he represents and how many people here will be affected. Only one side of this is playing politics and forgetting it's people's survival on the line.

Not been in the job 12 months yet and I'm yet to see anything of substance from him, doesn't appear to be able to think for himself either.

He has signed his own election defeat today hasn't he.

Steve Baker MP has also gone down that route with Marcus Rashford. Blocking people from replying, there are a lot of people angry at Baker. He has said QE cant be used to feed kids, but it was fine to pay bankers bonuses.

The clowns are coming apart at the seams, the lies are catching up with them and people are seeing them for what they are at last. Expect a rush of cash handed out to there mates for services rendered and as it is has always been the case and probably always will, a Tory government will be surrounded by the stench of corruption, they cant keep their grubby little fingers out of the nations till. They treat the average working lad as personal cash cards to pay for their largesse. I have always hated Thatcher but even the old witch was nowhere near as bad as this current collection of halfwits, crooks, conmen and sociopaths.

 

[meltonblue]

To reiterate though, there is no reason why the government has withheld the 60m, there is nothing stopping them from doing so. Whether Burnham says yes or no is actually meaningless to what the government can do if they want to. They’re essentially trying to pay for local political support and are willing to risk people’s lives and livelihoods for not getting it.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

He has signed his own election defeat today hasn't he.

Steve Baker MP has also gone down that route with Marcus Rashford. Blocking people from replying, there are a lot of people angry at Baker. He has said QE cant be used to feed kids, but it was fine to pay bankers bonuses.

The clowns are coming apart at the seams, the lies are catching up with them and people are seeing them for what they are at last. Expect a rush of cash handed out to there mates for services rendered and as it is has always been the case and probably always will, a Tory government will be surrounded by the stench of corruption, they cant keep their grubby little fingers out of the nations till. They treat the average working lad as personal cash cards to pay for their largesse. I have always hated Thatcher but even the old witch was nowhere near as bad as this current collection of halfwits, crooks, conmen and sociopaths.

I'm starting to think Boris has lost your support? ;-)

 

[Rascal]

Has anyone heard Robert Jenricks interview with Nick Ferrari on LBC this morning,

FUCKING HELL

The bent bastard