Grenfell Tower block disaster

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

If the government had done their job iver a year ago when this tragedy occurred this wouldn't still be happening today.
If the government hadn't tried saving a few thousand £s on fire proof cladding, this wouldn't be happening today.
If the government had listened to the poor people that lived in council accommodation that health and safety standards were at a bare minimum, this wouldn't be happening today.

While this man is in the wrong lets not deflect from the main issue here.

The government have treated the people of Grenfell with distain and shows another gulf between the classes of people.

What annoys me is the usual right wingers and Tory loving supporters deflecting from the main issue. Yes this guy is in the wrong, amd anyone that doesn't believe he's chancing it needs to give their heads a wobble.

Anyone, I'll the last words to the people of Grenfell and how they felt and still feel about the government and Theresa May

Ive been following the inquiry live each day (on the stream) as the Firemen relive really difficult times...

Just a bit of what comes out is

Outsourcing of training to a private company - never had the chance to train on high rise blocks ...everything was theoretical. Powerpoint presentations delivered to firestations and the team leaders having to deliver it to the crews (despite never having been trained on how to train)

Fire inspections being stopped - once the firemen would visit and inspect the premises ensuring that everything was in place and worked. They made the landlord put things right. At Grenfell they tried to take control of what is known as the 'Firemans Lift' they have a special key which overrides the lift controls. It didn't work. They no longer do those inspections because of cutbacks and its now left to the landlord to sort.

Firemans Keys - which enable them to take control of lift / unlock bollards etc - They bought them themselves.

https://aldridgesecurity.co.uk/p-8078-asec-fb-key-set-with-6-keys-including-firemans-drop-key.aspx

A 26 year old just 5 days into the job having to fight the fire and enter the building .

The metal panelling on the outside of the cladding (the cheaper alternative selected by the council) repelling the water and not allowing it to extinguish the blaze.

Radios not working above the 15th Floor.

Radios not being compatible with breathing apparatus (fit the radio you couldn't fit the mask )


This is just a bit.. from the first week of interviews

 

[Blue Maverick]

Ive been following the inquiry live each day (on the stream) as the Firemen relive really difficult times...

Just a bit of what comes out is

Outsourcing of training to a private company - never had the chance to train on high rise blocks ...everything was theoretical. Powerpoint presentations delivered to firestations and the team leaders having to deliver it to the crews (despite never having been trained on how to train)

Fire inspections being stopped - once the firemen would visit and inspect the premises ensuring that everything was in place and worked. They made the landlord put things right. At Grenfell they tried to take control of what is known as the 'Firemans Lift' they have a special key which overrides the lift controls. It didn't work. They no longer do those inspections because of cutbacks and its now left to the landlord to sort.

Firemans Keys - which enable them to take control of lift / unlock bollards etc - They bought them themselves.

https://aldridgesecurity.co.uk/p-8078-asec-fb-key-set-with-6-keys-including-firemans-drop-key.aspx

A 26 year old just 5 days into the job having to fight the fire and enter the building .

The metal panelling on the outside of the cladding (the cheaper alternative selected by the council) repelling the water and not allowing it to extinguish the blaze.

Radios not working above the 15th Floor.

Radios not being compatible with breathing apparatus (fit the radio you couldn't fit the mask )


This is just a bit.. from the first week of interviews

That’s modernisation for you!!

 

[SWP's back]

Ive been following the inquiry live each day (on the stream) as the Firemen relive really difficult times...

Just a bit of what comes out is

Outsourcing of training to a private company - never had the chance to train on high rise blocks ...everything was theoretical. Powerpoint presentations delivered to firestations and the team leaders having to deliver it to the crews (despite never having been trained on how to train)

Fire inspections being stopped - once the firemen would visit and inspect the premises ensuring that everything was in place and worked. They made the landlord put things right. At Grenfell they tried to take control of what is known as the 'Firemans Lift' they have a special key which overrides the lift controls. It didn't work. They no longer do those inspections because of cutbacks and its now left to the landlord to sort.

Firemans Keys - which enable them to take control of lift / unlock bollards etc - They bought them themselves.

https://aldridgesecurity.co.uk/p-8078-asec-fb-key-set-with-6-keys-including-firemans-drop-key.aspx

A 26 year old just 5 days into the job having to fight the fire and enter the building .

The metal panelling on the outside of the cladding (the cheaper alternative selected by the council) repelling the water and not allowing it to extinguish the blaze.

Radios not working above the 15th Floor.

Radios not being compatible with breathing apparatus (fit the radio you couldn't fit the mask )


This is just a bit.. from the first week of interviews

It literally beggars belief.

 

[worsleyweb]

If the government had done their job iver a year ago when this tragedy occurred this wouldn't still be happening today.
If the government hadn't tried saving a few thousand £s on fire proof cladding, this wouldn't be happening today.
If the government had listened to the poor people that lived in council accommodation that health and safety standards were at a bare minimum, this wouldn't be happening today.

While this man is in the wrong lets not deflect from the main issue here.

The government have treated the people of Grenfell with distain and shows another gulf between the classes of people.

What annoys me is the usual right wingers and Tory loving supporters deflecting from the main issue. Yes this guy is in the wrong, amd anyone that doesn't believe he's chancing it needs to give their heads a wobble.

Anyone, I'll the last words to the people of Grenfell and how they felt and still feel about the government and Theresa May

Absolute bollox.

 

[Ricster]

Absolute bollox.

Im so glad you give such an insightful input to political threads.

No not absolute bollocks.



Lets not also forget how the Daily Mail named the Ethopian immigrant, "who's fault" it was for the fire starying.

 

[worsleyweb]

Im so glad you give such an insightful input to political threads.

No not absolute bollocks.



Lets not also forget how the Daily Mail named the Ethopian immigrant, "who's fault" it was for the fire starying.

I am not talking political I am talking cladding - you think the government chose cheap flammable cladding? are you aware it was compliant with building control regulations? It was a cock up caused by a huge array of issues. Not simply the Tory Government as you foolishly state. That is just pathetic.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I am not talking political I am talking cladding - you think the government chose cheap flammable cladding? are you aware it was compliant with building control regulations? It was a cock up caused by a huge array of issues. Not simply the Tory Government as you foolishly state. That is just pathetic.

Possibly so, but the litany of failures identified in the post of @Ifwecouldjust....... are symptomatic of years of underinvestment in public services (some of which were necessary tbf).

 

[worsleyweb]

Possibly so, but the litany of failures identified in the post of @Ifwecouldjust....... are symptomatic of years of underinvestment in public services (some of which were necessary tbf).

It - (the cladding) has been put on the Student Castle Tower built about 5 years ago just off Oxford Road and is currently being removed. It is used on at least two buildings in the Green Quarter and it is on hundreds of buildings across the country. It could have happened under any government and political point scoring and blatant incorrect statements like Rictser made really piss me off as there should be no point scoring over tragedies like this.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

It - (the cladding) has been put on the Student Castle Tower built about 5 years ago just off Oxford Road and is currently being removed. It is used on at least two buildings in the Green Quarter and it is on hundreds of buildings across the country. It could have happened under any government and political point scoring and blatant incorrect statements like Rictser made really piss me off as there should be no point scoring over tragedies like this.

My point wasn’t about the cladding but the parlous state of the Fire Service (for example) for reason of a series of cuts in spending. It is lamentably typical of the current state of public services. I was broadly supportive of austerity as a necessary evil in 2008, but that was over a decade ago and the time has come to significantly reverse it.

 

[worsleyweb]

My point wasn’t about the cladding but the parlous state of the Fire Service (for example) for reason of a series of cuts in spending. It is lamentably typical of the current state of public services. I was broadly supportive of austerity as a necessary evil in 2008, but that was over a decade ago and the time has come to significantly reverse it.

The governments pledge in regard to the NHS would suggest they recognise this but as you say it was necessary at the time.