Grenfell Tower block disaster

[Blue Maverick]

It’s not just the cladding it’s the upgrades that compromised the integrity inside this allowed the fire go through the building not just up the outside that shouldn’t happen

 

[mancityvstoke]

It’s not just the cladding it’s the upgrades that compromised the integrity inside this allowed the fire go through the building not just up the outside that shouldn’t happen

plus existing forgotten about parts of the building hidden from view.

For example in my block there is an inner riser for the soil pipe....it has never ever been sealed between floors and will act as a chimney for smoke in the event of a real fire. This smoke will then enter flats via bathrooms.

Still not sorted out and probably never will be.

 

[hammocity]

Not going to pretend I've read the report. But I'd imagine the stay put advice and general fire brigade procedures would have worked fine if someone else hadn't turned the tower into a massive candle by cladding it in what was essentially a huge external wick/chimney.

What’s to gain by staying put? In my book nothing, it’s a no brainer, get out, go to the pub, cafe, friends place and if nothing happens go home, a little bit of inconvenience. Stake that against serious injury or death, there’s really only one option.

 

[hammocity]

Watching the relatives they’ve bought this hook line and sinker

Absolutely agree, however at least she is staying to take the flack unlike the coward of the Manchester who after the bomb did one. Those procedures you talk about are tried and tested and they work like I said when the building has been built to spec, what you will probably find is the officers (the white hats) running round like headless chickens as the follow procedure, it you’ve now got them blaming the yellow helmets in the building for not rescuing people, they are told whether to evacuate or not as they don’t have the big picture.

There’s always some people who live the praise but when things go wrong blame someone else. I’ve not read into it as I guess you have but the blame culture will always exist.

 

[mancityvstoke]

What’s to gain by staying put? In my book nothing, it’s a no brainer, get out, go to the pub, cafe, friends place and if nothing happens go home, a little bit of inconvenience. Stake that against serious injury or death, there’s really only one option.

Yep......sadly this doesn't work for disabled unfortunately.

 

[Blue Hefner]

 

[Blue Hefner]

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Yep......sadly this doesn't work for disabled unfortunately.

Indeed, especially if it's a weatherspoons and the toilets are upstairs

 

[mancityvstoke]

Indeed, especially if it's a weatherspoons and the toilets are upstairs

yeah

On a serious note the lifts cannot be used in a fire so those who cannot walk are donald ducked

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

yeah

On a serious note the lifts cannot be used in a fire so those who cannot walk are donald ducked

Quite. I think the building regs/ initial construction would have made 'stay put' a sound policy as you'd have babies, elderly, disabled etc spread right through a building like grenfell. It seems like the cladding caused the fire to spread in a way it otherwise wouldn't which makes stay put (in hindsight) a flawed decision.