Grenfell Tower block disaster

Where is the police investigation? I would have expected some people to have been arrested by now.
 
Cheesy said:
Yep, a rushed police investigation is exactly what is needed now.
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At least freedom of movement to be denied, for the CEO of the company renting out the flats, and the CEO of the company who were renovating them, as well as the CEO of the Cladding manufacturer.
 
jonmcity said:
At least freedom of movement to be denied, for the CEO of the company renting out the flats, and the CEO of the company who were renovating them, as well as the CEO of the Cladding manufacturer.
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They haven't recovered all the bodies yet, as the building isn't deemed safe (trains/tube past it are still suspended in case of collapse). I'm sure when the LFB declare it safe enough to work in/on, that an investigation will get going properly, and I'm sure that the prelim stages are already well in hand, by the LFB who will initially lead the investigation to find out what started the fire, and why it spread as it did.

There will be a full police "investigation" when its appropriate, and when evidence has been collected arrests will be made, if they are deemed necessary.
 
Insulation boards fitted to the outside of Grenfell Tower gave off highly toxic hydrogen cyanide gas which may have contributed to the deaths of some of the 79 confirmed victims.

Fire toxicity experts have told Sky News the insulation boards installed during a refurbishment of the tower produce the deadly gas when they burn, and their positioning meant every flat could have been filled with enough gas to kill those inside.

At least three of those injured in the fire have been treated with an antidote for hydrogen cyanide poisoning in hospital, and the number of those affected may be higher.

The gas could have incapacitated some residents, but establishing its role in the cause of death may be impossible because of the condition of the victims.
King's College Hospital confirmed to Sky News that three of the 12 patients it received from the fire were treated with the hydrogen cyanide antidote Cyanokit.

Four other hospital trusts declined to comment on the treatment administered to those injured in the fire.

An initial 68 patients were taken to six hospitals across London, with 18 receiving critical care and some put into induced comas to aid in the recovery of damaged airways.

As of Wednesday morning, 10 people were still being treated in four hospitals, six of them in critical care.
 
The insulation used at Grenfell Tower was made of Polyisocyanurate (PIR), rigid plastic foam sandwiched between two sheets of aluminium foil that supplied in 15cm-thick boards.

The PIR itself is flammable, but the aluminium foil is intended to disperse flames and prevent it catching fire.

The boards were fitted against the exterior wall of Grenfell Tower, behind the cladding that was installed to improve the appearance of the building.

Richard Hull, professor of chemistry and fire science at the University of Central Lancashire, told Sky News that the gas produced by the insulation when it burned may have been deadly.

"The outside wall of the building had 150mm of PIR foam (fitted), and once the fire had spread to that every flat would have its own source of PIR foam, which would have produced enough hydrogen cyanide to kill all the people in that flat," he said.

http://news.sky.com/story/toxic-gas...wer-fire-may-have-caused-some-deaths-10922685
 
karen7 said:
Fire toxicity experts have told Sky News the insulation boards installed during a refurbishment of the tower produce the deadly gas when they burn, and their positioning meant every flat could have been filled with enough gas to kill those inside.
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How is that fucking legal?
 
karen7 said:
The Government has purchased apartments at an upmarket development to rehouse survivors of the Grenfell Tower blaze.

Sixty-eight new social housing units at the Kensington Row development in Kensington High Street have been acquired, Communities Secretary Sajid Javid said.

Prices for homes on the site - which includes a private cinema and a 24-hour concierge service - range from £1.5m to £8.5m.

The flats purchased by the Government will be offered as one of the options to permanently rehouse residents from Grenfell Tower.


"The residents of Grenfell Tower have been through some of the most harrowing and traumatic experiences imaginable and it is our duty to support them," said Mr Javid.

"Our priority is to get everyone who has lost their home permanently rehoused locally as soon as possible, so that they can begin to rebuild their lives.

"The government will continue to do everything we can as fast as we can to support those affected by this terrible tragedy."
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Jesus Christ, how much???!
 
Leader of the K&C Council has fallen on his sword, after being shoved by the Government.

“Success in our efforts requires leadership across London that sustains the confidence and support of central government. There is a huge amount still to do for the victims of the fire, requiring the full attention of this council and many others. If I stayed in post, my presence would be a distraction.”
 
karen7 said:
The Government has purchased apartments at an upmarket development to rehouse survivors of the Grenfell Tower blaze.

Sixty-eight new social housing units at the Kensington Row development in Kensington High Street have been acquired, Communities Secretary Sajid Javid said.

Prices for homes on the site - which includes a private cinema and a 24-hour concierge service - range from £1.5m to £8.5m.

The flats purchased by the Government will be offered as one of the options to permanently rehouse residents from Grenfell Tower.


"The residents of Grenfell Tower have been through some of the most harrowing and traumatic experiences imaginable and it is our duty to support them," said Mr Javid.

"Our priority is to get everyone who has lost their home permanently rehoused locally as soon as possible, so that they can begin to rebuild their lives.

"The government will continue to do everything we can as fast as we can to support those affected by this terrible tragedy."
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Bet the people who have bought in there already are having tumbling values nightmares
 
SWP's back said:
How is that fucking legal?
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God knows. I was on the board of a community housing trust for a few years. The trust owned a couple of tower blocks that were due for refurbishment. I left before the refurbishment got under way but can remember during the planning process reading about all of the legislation and standards that needed to be complied with. It gave the impression that as long as we followed accepted best practice everything would be fine. Certainly, at board level, we didnt get into the detail over what type of cladding would be used. We assumed, perhaps complacently, that we would be improving the living conditions of tenants, not turning the tower blocks into death traps. I was mightily relieved last week to read a comment from the current CEO of the trust that a completely different, fire resistant cladding had been used.
 
cibaman said:
God knows. I was on the board of a community housing trust for a few years. The trust owned a couple of tower blocks that were due for refurbishment. I left before the refurbishment got under way but can remember during the planning process reading about all of the legislation and standards that needed to be complied with. It gave the impression that as long as we followed accepted best practice everything would be fine. Certainly, at board level, we didnt get into the detail over what type of cladding would be used. We assumed, perhaps complacently, that we would be improving the living conditions of tenants, not turning the tower blocks into death traps. I was mightily relieved last week to read a comment from the current CEO of the trust that a completely different, fire resistant cladding had been used.
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The following Health and Safety regulations are to do with CDM (Construction Design and Management) and explain the legal issues.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/books/l153.htm

In other words there are legal issues at design as well as construction phases.
 
karen7 said:
The Government has purchased apartments at an upmarket development to rehouse survivors of the Grenfell Tower blaze.

Sixty-eight new social housing units at the Kensington Row development in Kensington High Street have been acquired, Communities Secretary Sajid Javid said.

Prices for homes on the site - which includes a private cinema and a 24-hour concierge service - range from £1.5m to £8.5m.

The flats purchased by the Government will be offered as one of the options to permanently rehouse residents from Grenfell Tower.


"The residents of Grenfell Tower have been through some of the most harrowing and traumatic experiences imaginable and it is our duty to support them," said Mr Javid.

"Our priority is to get everyone who has lost their home permanently rehoused locally as soon as possible, so that they can begin to rebuild their lives.

"The government will continue to do everything we can as fast as we can to support those affected by this terrible tragedy."
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I think the central block of the development are the expensive apartments you mention. They are surrounded by "affordable" apartments that don't offer the things you mention above. Although I suspect that the owners of the more executive ones are feeling pretty pissed right now....unlucky!
 
SWP's back said:
How is that fucking legal?
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Seriously! How does that shit get approved for use anywhere?

They're going to have to find a patsy for this and fast because none of the news coming out about this is looking anything better than rich folk trying to cover an eyesore on the cheap, putting everyone's lives at risk whilst doing so. It's the ultimate disgusting manifestation of a class divide that has so many people in this country so pissed off. If no one goes to jail over this there will be riots.
 
adrianr said:
Seriously! How does that shit get approved for use anywhere?

They're going to have to find a patsy for this and fast because none of the news coming out about this is looking anything better than rich folk trying to cover an eyesore on the cheap, putting everyone's lives at risk whilst doing so. It's the ultimate disgusting manifestation of a class divide that has so many people in this country so pissed off. If no one goes to jail over this there will be riots.
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Apparently the cladding could have been fitted in 600 high rises across the country. Doesn't that suggest that's its not really a case of one bad council trying to cover an eyseore, more a complete failure of building regulations to prevent dangerous materials being used on a widespread basis?

If there really are 600 buildings with this cladding then I doubt that people will go to jail.
 
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They're saying 600 tower blocks could have similar cladding. 3 of the cladding types found on buildings could be combustable.

Relevant expert interviewed also making the point of commercial properties and flammable window materials that help fires to spread. Says it's crazy what's out there and products sold as fire resistant when they aren't.

Byproduct of this capitalism we have (without checks and balances on corruption). If this shocks you, think about the food industries, air quality, energy industries etc. etc. etc.
 
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