Grenfell Tower block disaster

[Gabriel]

Is that still ongoing or is that the final number they gave?

I believe it is the latest and ongoing figure, sadly.

 

[SilverFox2]

The DCLG has confirmed that the lower spec material is indeed illegal on buildings over 59 feet (no confirmation from the DCLG as to the reasons why it is illegal) and Councils have ordered to send high-rise cladding for urgent fire tests after Glenfell Tower blaze. The company supplying the panels has disagreed but from what I've read the wording is very much subject to interpretation and of course the fact it caught fire and spread at brethtaking spread means it clearly wasn't in any way fire retardant - and the regs are clear on that point above 59 feet.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...iveapp_androidshare_AlsCVWKwF5nX;AlsCVWKwF5nX

Thanks BA, sorry but for some reason cannot open the link so to be clear is it banned on buildings taller than 59 feet or is the maximum height a section can have is 59 feet. ?

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

I am getting the feeling that the authorities didn't know who was in the flats.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Thanks BA, sorry but for some reason cannot open the link so to be clear is it banned on buildings taller than 59 feet or is the maximum height a section can have is 59 feet. ?

That is what the article says. That was the mobile link - ill try and dig up a web one.Shadow ministers have been giving the same opinion yesterday so the legal eagles must have a pretty consistent opinion. I think I will have to read the British Standards docs for clarification.
The data sheet is clearly wrong if there are restrictions. Which indicates removing physical fire inspections during construction in 2006 was a very bad idea - just one of a litany of issues that have been allowed to fester for years and years that need tightening up.
- Sprinklers to stop the fire getting hold in the first place.
- The safety of power distribution in high rise buildings. Seemingly the cause of the fire causing a fridge/freezer to catch fire.
- Cladding materials used for energy efficiency.
- The number of stairwells in high rise buildings. Should be at least 2 and in new buildings 3.
- Stairwell desugn to prevent smoke getting into building stairwells. Two doors to Stairwell probably with fire curtains inside outer door.
- The power of residents committees viz owner not wanting to spend cash to fix things.
- Governments and Local Authorities of all shades sitting on possible changes to fire and building regs for years in light of coroner and investigative reports. It is pretty clear that the only agenda was Energy Efficiency.
- Regulation clarity.
- Building materials must be fire proof on high rise buildings and at least as retardant as seasoned treated wood on low rise buildings.

 

[cibaman]

I am getting the feeling that the authorities didn't know who was in the flats.

Is there a requirement that they should? Clearly there will be tenants who will not have been in the building for a number of reasons such as holidays, working etc. There will also be visitors staying overnight. There will undoubtedly have been some illegal sub letting. Is there any requirement for tenants to constantly update the council on who is living there? Do they have to notify them if they have a baby, or separate from their partner, or if a child leaves either temporarily or permanently?

 

[willipp]

Is there a requirement that they should? Clearly there will be tenants who will not have been in the building for a number of reasons such as holidays, working etc. There will also be visitors staying overnight. There will undoubtedly have been some illegal sub letting. Is there any requirement for tenants to constantly update the council on who is living there? Do they have to notify them if they have a baby, or separate from their partner, or if a child leaves either temporarily or permanently?

Im not sure if there is any requirement, but maybe there should be in terms of permanent residents living in council property. Doesn't sound too unreasonable to have up to date lists (updated every 3 months maybe) of people living in these properties - if there isnt already.

 

[Gabriel]

BBC reporting that some of the hospitalized remain in induced comas and that some face months of recovery.

BBC also reporting that some survivors are reticent to come forward and help the investigation for fears over their immigration status.

 

[kaz7]

At least 79 people are confirmed dead or missing, presumed dead after the disaster, although the number is expected to rise. Only five victims have been formally identified.

http://news.sky.com/story/grenfell-...ery-from-smoke-inhalation-after-fire-10921381

 

[cleavers]

Again, can we keep political commentary for the appropriate threads. Thanks.

 

[Corky]

Im not sure if there is any requirement, but maybe there should be in terms of permanent residents living in council property. Doesn't sound too unreasonable to have up to date lists (updated every 3 months maybe) of people living in these properties - if there isnt already.

Or they could just use council tax records?

Is there a thread on the politics behind the failings to comment on this properly, as no one is mentioning the obvious?