Grenfell Tower block disaster

Blue Mist said:
I tried to keep this away from silly replies but clearly you fine upstanding labour supporters can't. Perhaps I should switch to the party that in my youth openly supported and encouraged paedophiles. That brought us to our knees financially and openly supported communism. Then they rebranded and allowed our soldiers to be murdered in an illegal war, or allowed Liverpool to become a corrupt cesspit (like they did in the 70's... History repeating itself!!)
And I'm the one looking foolish!
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Dickhead post of the year - gold award.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
Might I suggest you see how the MP you voted for (assuming they got in) voted, and then write to them telling them exactly what you think of their voting record on this? Maybe they'll think twice if they think it will cost them Tory voters next time.
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That is a good idea, one of the few sensible ones since I bumped it. The fact that thousands of home owners will now suffer, bearing in mind the management company can now charge what they want.....
 
Blue Mist said:
As stated before I vote Conservative, I mention this before some jump down my throat :-)
Today Parliament had the chance to stop developers charging home owners for the cost of replacing the dangerous cladding. Labour backed the bill but not enough Tories would vote with them.
The fact that 4? years on people are unable to sell their property and are forced to live in unsafe buildings is a national disgrace. The fact that Conservative mps have now made them liable for the repairs is even worse. Shame on you
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You are right,. This is a scandal. Taxpayer, representing a decent society should cover it. Abandoning citizens to bankruptcy through no fault of their own is indefensible.
Just what were those MPs who voted against it thinking?
 
Blue Mist said:
That is a good idea, one of the few sensible ones since I bumped it. The fact that thousands of home owners will now suffer, bearing in mind the management company can now charge what they want.....
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Exactly. Not only have they not forced them to fix it, they've managed to turn it into a nice little earner for the companies involved. No doubt they can expect a big donation when the next elections come around.
 
Blue Mist said:
That is a good idea, one of the few sensible ones since I bumped it. The fact that thousands of home owners will now suffer, bearing in mind the management company can now charge what they want.....
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Absolutely disgraceful.
It's patently obvious to anyone with half a brain that the people who approved and specified this cladding should be held responsible, also the manufacturer should have a responsibility for warning and advising that was combustible and totally unsuitable for this project.
The government should bailout these unfortunate people with public funds just like they did with Royal residences like Windsor Castle and Frogmore cottage.
But as usual the people without money and power get shit on from a great height.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Powerful image

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I am neither a royalist or an anti one and for all their faults, Grenfell had nothing to do with them......BUT, at a time millions are sat at some street party with neighbours they don't like, celebrating an elite that doesn't know they exist, that is a moving image.
It is made worse by the fact that thousands of people are STILL living in apartments that are deemed unsafe. We cannot bring back the 72 but surely we can keep thousands of others safe.
 
Whilst it is very sad for those that died, sort the living out. People, through no fault of their own, are living in dangerous high rise apartments 5 YEARS after this tragedy.
Stop arguing whilst trying to save a few thousand pounds, People are living in apartments they can't sell, they are faced with huge bills they can't afford and all the time at the risk of dying in the same horrible way. Whilst I have no answer, politicians should have, fucking sort it.
 
Blue Mist said:
Whilst it is very sad for those that died, sort the living out. People, through no fault of their own, are living in dangerous high rise apartments 5 YEARS after this tragedy.
Stop arguing whilst trying to save a few thousand pounds, People are living in apartments they can't sell, they are faced with huge bills they can't afford and all the time at the risk of dying in the same horrible way. Whilst I have no answer, politicians should have, fucking sort it.
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Not just that, the relic of a building is still there, reminding them daily.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Not just that, the relic of a building is still there, reminding them daily.
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I don't know whether that is right or wrong. It is a poignant reminder of the tragedy and it focuses shit houses minds onto the problem, but, there's always a but, families of the deceased still see the tower all day every day.
 
Anyone get the feeling that not enough has been made of this truly shameful disaster?

The whole world saw what happened and, sadly, they’ve seen that the victims got no justice. Maybe if those had not been so poor, or foreign, things might have been so different?

At the time it was hoped that the disaster would be a much-needed sea-change for social housing but alas, naivety got the better of people like me.
 
Blue Mist said:
I don't know whether that is right or wrong. It is a poignant reminder of the tragedy and it focuses shit houses minds onto the problem, but, there's always a but, families of the deceased still see the tower all day every day.
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It’s covered with the fabric showing the Green Heart on each side, but it‘s still there.

The government have the freehold on it now.
 
Mike N said:
Anyone get the feeling that not enough has been made of this truly shameful disaster?

The whole world saw what happened and, sadly, they’ve seen that the victims got no justice. Maybe if those had not been so poor, or foreign, things might have been so different?

At the time it was hoped that the disaster would be a much-needed sea-change for social housing but alas, naivety got the better of people like me.
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It has nothing to do with being poor or foreign. Thousands of people both with a bit of money (mortgage) and the poor are still stuck in unsafe houses.
The cladding conformed to current legislation, ( as I understand it) If it did, the govt. should stand the bill, if it didn't make the developer pay. If he goes bust, the government steps in. You cannot expect someone to go to bed worrying in case their neighbours have the tumble dryer on.
 
Blue Mist said:
It has nothing to do with being poor or foreign. Thousands of people both with a bit of money (mortgage) and the poor are still stuck in unsafe houses.
The cladding conformed to current legislation, ( as I understand it) If it did, the govt. should stand the bill, if it didn't make the developer pay. If he goes bust, the government steps in. You cannot expect someone to go to bed worrying in case their neighbours have the tumble dryer on.
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I agree 100% with you about people living in unsafe buildings. I happen to know people who live in Salford Quays and they have had an absolute nightmare. They have been let down by the Government, developers and the building industry. Aspirational property owners who bought bags of shite.

My point was purely about the unfortunate victims of Grenfell Tower. Justice for them is needed now.
 
Mike N said:
I agree 100% with you about people living in unsafe buildings. I happen to know people who live in Salford Quays and they have had an absolute nightmare. They have been let down by the Government, developers and the building industry. Aspirational property owners who bought bags of shite.

My point was purely about the unfortunate victims of Grenfell Tower. Justice for them is needed now.
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On that I agree.
 
Blue Mist said:
It has nothing to do with being poor or foreign. Thousands of people both with a bit of money (mortgage) and the poor are still stuck in unsafe houses.
The cladding conformed to current legislation, ( as I understand it) If it did, the govt. should stand the bill, if it didn't make the developer pay. If he goes bust, the government steps in. You cannot expect someone to go to bed worrying in case their neighbours have the tumble dryer on.
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I haven’t got time now but have a listen to the BBC podcast Grenfell Enquiry. It’s around 200 episodes long and it is an absolute disgrace. Literally everyone involved has blood on their hands.
 
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