For the final time,leave your little agendas and political bias out of this thread.
Thread bans may otherwise follow,thank you.
I guess you didn't see the word "may" then ?I'm sure it's likely there were, but to "families of 12"??
It's a misnomer about the fire alarms communal ones don't work people ignore them or worse vandalise them because they are sick of them going off every time Ethel in flat 21 burns her toast, individual ones would/should be in every flat to warn of smoke in that flat, occupier would've left flat and it's contained.It's a horrible way to go, weather your 6, 21, 40 or 80. These towers are safe if they had fire alarms that people could hear, also if the building wasn't wrapped with flammable material.
Absolute class thatYou know it's not going to be good when your told to write your name on you helmet before you go in! https://t.co/qToYAXa1k8
@crispymick Hi Mick, can we use this image on our site please?
@SunPictureDesk Nope... Not in in your shitrag
Lovely.
It's a horrible way to go, weather your 6, 21, 40 or 80. These towers are safe if they had fire alarms that people could hear, also if the building wasn't wrapped with flammable material.
I guess you didn't see the word "may" then ?
Sorry but there was nothing "out of order" with what I posted, of course it's an assumption to say some of the flats were sub let, as are most things related to this tragic event, but its quite likely, as its quite common place in London. You also made an assumption too, assuming I know what "Can't pay take it away" is, as I haven't a clue.
Further, at no point have I mentioned anyone "on benefits", nor "scroungers" either, and nor was I saying that people who are missing are "criminals", in this event the missing wouldn't be the criminals anyway, it would be the person who has sub let their flat. My post is much more sympathising with anyone in that situation, as its quite possible they may never be identified.
I do, you're right, and I've even explained it for you, you seem to be trying to imply something about me, without knowing the first thing about me.You know what you meant
You know it's not going to be good when your told to write your name on you helmet before you go in! https://t.co/qToYAXa1k8
@crispymick Hi Mick, can we use this image on our site please?
@SunPictureDesk Nope... Not in in your shitrag
Lovely.
40ish flats in our block. 2 bed flat next door rented by a couple but now sublet to 6 people (not a family if you want to be pedantic. Some 4 bedroom flats in that tower... 2x6=12 if I want to be pedantic). Council records would indicate police or whoever should be looking for two people if it happened here.I'm sure it's likely there were, but to "families of 12"??
That's unlikely. Quite rightly he was calling on people to not politicise the thread but maybe another agenda that should be left out of this is the lazy stereotyping of so called benefits scroungers as well.
He's basically implying that someone who is potentially still missing or worse is a criminal. That's out of order and in terrible taste. If it was one of us, banned
As i said earlier, it looks like to me that they haven't used the correct Fire-stopping between the floors. If they did it would likely to be contained to the one flat. If the correct one was used it would starve the fire of oxygen. The insulation that was used is fit for purpose if all others aspects are installed correctly.
The insulation used is suitable for the application IF everything else is installed correctly. Leaving a fire door open doesnt cause the spread of flame externally as was highlighted with this case. Looks like intumescent fire strips were missingThere were multiple cases where safety equipment had been nullified for convenience. Fire doors being wedged open for example.
Regarding the material i researched it, they chose a cheaper version that used polyethylene, the next one up used a fire retardant mineral. Now the interesting bit i find is they made a profit last year of 5.4m if memory serves. They are not there to make profit but administrate the housing efficiently on behalf of the council and spend the money allocated well. What are they doing making a profit. Along with reports of head sheds essentially avoiding dealing with issues by making it hard to contact them i think there should be very severe penalties coming. From the reports one womans name comes up a lot, i will not name here here but read up a bit and you will see who one of the main incompetent members of management were/are.
Like usual it sounds like they cared more about the money than those it is meant to help.
It didn't. That was the whole renovation. Think the cladding was something like £2.6mHow the fuck does cladding cost £10M ?
It is my opinion. I agree about elderly/disabled etc being on much lower floors too or in a lovely bungalow. Housing crisis in the UK does not allow this.Why ?
If it had sprinklers it would have been extinguished in the flat where it began.Also there is a lot of talk about sprinklers. I doubt sprinklers would have made a difference in this case. The fire took hold on the external element of the building and spread quickly on outside of the building where sprinklers wouldnt have made a difference. It would have been too intense once it got into other floors. That said I would expect all high rises to be sprinklered going forward.
Anyway i attended a talk on the Dubai fires you alluded to in the thread. I seem to recall that there was some luck involved with the wind direction in it not being as serious as it could have been