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Grenfell Tower block disaster
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The Light Was Yellow Sir
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There are of course implied statutory repairing obligations on landlords to keep in repair the structure and exterior of their properties, and to repair installations for the supply of water, heating and sanitation. However, existing provisions requiring landlords to ensure that their properties are fit for human habitation are almost entirely obsolete.Why is that relevant; as I have already said, the requirement is already covered by the Housing Act.
Whilst Section 8 of the Landlord and Tenant Act 1985 prescribes implied terms in tenancy agreements that require landlords to let properties fit for human habitation, the implied terms only apply to properties with an annual rent of £52 or less outside of London and £80 or less in London and those rent limits have remained unchanged since 1957!
The good news is that this is back in parliament and has passed its second reading so landlords will need to ensure issues such as damp, ventilation, cooking facilities and sanitation are addressed as well as category 1 hazards such as; exposed wiring, broken boilers, very cold rooms, mould, pests and vermin, leaking roofs and broken stairs. None of that can be viewed as a bad thing, I wouldn’t have thought.
Blue Maverick
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I think once the fire regs changed and it put the emphasis on the landlords to self regulate the writing was in the wall, we said that most wouldn’t have a clue or take a chance of not been caught, this has obviously come back to bite them. I know many are now asking for sprinklers but long term these will be a huge problem and cost due to vandalism and accidental actuation. The damage caused by the water would be horrendous if not turned off quickly. I personally don’t have the answers apart from maybe funding a proper and fit for purpose fire service, but maybe that’s asking a bit much, maybe we should blame brexit on it!!
bluethrunthru
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Heart rending stories coming out again on the first anniversary and amazingly so many still in temporary accommodation still. Watched an interesting documentary on BBC2 earlier about the endemic rich vs poor issues over about 150 years in the borough. You just have to hope that things will change after the fire and that people will face serious charges if laws have been broken........one can only hope that todays jailing of the owner of the firework factory shows that there is a will for people to be made to face the consequences of their actions
Ricster
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Heart rending stories coming out again on the first anniversary and amazingly so many still in temporary accommodation still. Watched an interesting documentary on BBC2 earlier about the endemic rich vs poor issues over about 150 years in the borough. You just have to hope that things will change after the fire and that people will face serious charges if laws have been broken........one can only hope that todays jailing of the owner of the firework factory shows that there is a will for people to be made to face the consequences of their actions
At least Theresa May eventually apologised aftet a year. I think that should be a headline in itself. 1 year to apologise for the part her councilors played.......hang on........thats not the reason she has apologised? She has only apologised for not speaking to the people?
This firefighters interview shpuld tell everyone everything they need to know.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/grenfell-tower-fire-one-year-one-kensington-a8397276.html
bluethrunthru
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At least Theresa May eventually apologised aftet a year. I think that should be a headline in itself. 1 year to apologise for the part her councilors played.......hang on........thats not the reason she has apologised? She has only apologised for not speaking to the people?
This firefighters interview shpuld tell everyone everything they need to know.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/grenfell-tower-fire-one-year-one-kensington-a8397276.html
In all seriousness and in reluctant defence of May she just doesn't do emotions and meeting people well at all - I can imagine the dilemma "her people" had at the time and only now she can appreciate how much she messed up.
Ricster
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-returns-grenfell-tower-after-10635655In all seriousness and in reluctant defence of May she just doesn't do emotions and meeting people well at all - I can imagine the dilemma "her people" had at the time and only now she can appreciate how much she messed up.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/watch-theresa-booed-called-coward-10635983
Do people forgive what she did a year ago?
bluethrunthru
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Probably not - as I said my defence was reluctant for the reasons I said - I think she is an emotionally stilted character who doesn't do any people related things at all well. Just look at how she contorts her face when answering an "awkward" question.
Mistake in the piece - no ban on smoke alarms (which should be in each flat - and everyone's home, preferably wired in). He meant fire alarms I think.At least Theresa May eventually apologised aftet a year. I think that should be a headline in itself. 1 year to apologise for the part her councilors played.......hang on........thats not the reason she has apologised? She has only apologised for not speaking to the people?
This firefighters interview shpuld tell everyone everything they need to know.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/grenfell-tower-fire-one-year-one-kensington-a8397276.html
Surprised he didn't relate the need for multiple entries with breathing apparatus to having a lot fewer fire fighters these days. Or mention having Manchester's former fire chief as a technical expert to the inquiry when he's been happy to implement the government's cuts.
Why haven’t they knocked it down yet? I presume they must be planning to. I went past it on Tuesday and at least they have wrapped it in some kind of outer layer now, but must be awful for the local residents for it still to be looming over them.
At least Theresa May eventually apologised aftet a year. I think that should be a headline in itself. 1 year to apologise for the part her councilors played.......hang on........thats not the reason she has apologised? She has only apologised for not speaking to the people?
This firefighters interview shpuld tell everyone everything they need to know.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/grenfell-tower-fire-one-year-one-kensington-a8397276.html
She was only apologising for PR purposes only. Privately she and her other hard right friends didn't see Glenfell as tragedy more an opportunity to move on some immigrants without all the fuss. I have heard this myself first hand at the time and still to this day now.
Today marks the occasion that the biggest tragedy since world war 2 took place. Which ultimately could and should have been avoided I just really hope that for the sake of the Glenfell people that they get some justice for what has happened. But we all know that ultimately that those at the core of this have got away scott free.
stonerblue
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In all seriousness and in reluctant defence of May she just doesn't do emotions and meeting people well at all - I can imagine the dilemma "her people" had at the time and only now she can appreciate how much she messed up.
A friend of mine who lost a family member in the arena attack was given a private meeting with May the other week. When the pm came to shake her hand she refused and began to ask her some awkward questions regarding her handling of the aftermath. Cue her 'people' giving it the 'cut off and move on' signal.
Djibrilshairdo
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Today marks the occasion that the biggest tragedy since world war 2 took place.
Kings Cross, Bradford stadium, Ringway 737 all so easily consigned to history?
squirtyflower
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Even you know that they are not ‘her’ councillors, it just doesn’t fit with your MO.At least Theresa May eventually apologised aftet a year. I think that should be a headline in itself. 1 year to apologise for the part her councilors played.......hang on........thats not the reason she has apologised? She has only apologised for not speaking to the people?
This firefighters interview shpuld tell everyone everything they need to know.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/grenfell-tower-fire-one-year-one-kensington-a8397276.html
I have the upmost sympathy for all the victims of this terrible tragedy but why was there a national minutes silence today, many awful things have happened over the years but until recently not many have been afforded this, will it be a yearly thing from now on while other tragedies are ignored
Kings Cross, Bradford stadium, Ringway 737 all so easily consigned to history?
Yep public government lead enquiries with a the government lead outcome swept under the carpet.
happy daze
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OK it was all very sad but individuals,families or people suffer trgedies on a daily basis.I have the upmost sympathy for all the victims of this terrible tragedy but why was there a national minutes silence today, many awful things have happened over the years but until recently not many have been afforded this, will it be a yearly thing from now on while other tragedies are ignored
Around 1400 people die every day in England and Wales,for those who know them it is just as sad but because their death is not part of some multiple incident none of this occurs,so why do we do it?
OK it was all very sad but individuals,families or people suffer trgedies on a daily basis.
Around 1400 people die every day in England and Wales,for those who know them it is just as sad but because their death is not part of some multiple incident none of this occurs,so why do we do it?
Maybe the country is turning into a nation of scousers, projected grief had gone off the scale since Diana died
Joe Pineapple
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I have the upmost sympathy for all the victims of this terrible tragedy but why was there a national minutes silence today, many awful things have happened over the years but until recently not many have been afforded this, will it be a yearly thing from now on while other tragedies are ignored
It's only being done to appease the people of the area.
According to them, the people in the tower were ruthlessly murdered in their beds by white supremacists/institutional wacism/The Illuminati/Margaret Thatcher (personally)/Austerity - all (c) J McDonnell. And the fire was just a clumsy way of disposing of the bodies.